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Old 11-26-2013, 01:57 AM
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Considering options for a long range rifle

Hi fellas,
I'm wanting to get a proper long range rifle setup in the next twelve months and am just thinking through options. I don't want to say I'm working on a budget setup but money is a relative factor to consider.
Also any gun, or scope or anything hunting you guys have will typically be 30-60% more expensive in Australia.
My goal is to be able to target shoot and hunt comfortably out to 1000 m (1093 yds). I'd like to go further but that's what I'd be happy with if it's all I could manage.

For calibre I'm thinking 338 Lapua at this stage. Also considering 338WM, 338RUM and I guess 300RUM but prefer the first 3.

For rifle I'm thinking Savage 10/110 FCP HS Precision (If I go the 338 Lapua). That gun is about $2500 in Australia.

For the scope I'm thinking Nightforce 8-32x56mm BR (About $1500)

Projectiles I still have no idea, maybe Barnes LRX or Berger Hunting projectiles.

What are peoples thoughts? Happy to consider any recommendations or opinions about the setup.

Thanks in advance guys
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:55 AM
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Re: Considering options for a long range rifle

That sounds like an excellent start. I have never owned a 338 Lapua. I did have a 300 RUM, Savage 116 Bear Hunter. With a nikon 3-9x40 prostaff I was hitting a 12x12 in steel plate at 600 yards. I want a 110 HS and from guys at my range and at a couple of gunshops in my town tell me the Savage 338 series are impressive out of the box...Also, with the scope. Its a night force so I dont think you can go wrong in that department. The one I used from a guy at my range ran circles around my nikon monarchs. Can't help you with reloading. Still learning in that department.
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:48 AM
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Re: Considering options for a long range rifle

Glad to hear you are wanting to build a long range rifle. there are lots of questions that you can ask yourself to get the answers you are wanting. you have addressed range, what game are you wanting to hunt? how are your shooting skills i.e. is recoil an issue? as far as your load and projectiles brand, you will have to wait and see what your gun likes. as far as bullet weight, as a general rule, the heavier the bullet, the better the BC and the better it flies. so in my opinion, you want to shoot the heaviest bullet you can in your caliber because you get better downfield accuracy. The 338 is a horse, but if you can handle the recoil and the $$ you need to feed it, then you are golden. Having said that, a well placed shot is the best thing you can do to take an animal, bigger can cause accuracy issues because they are both expensive to shot and therefore practice is limited and recoil is an accuracy factor too. the Nightforce is an excellent choice, no better scope for the money period. If you have access to custom builders down under, you may want to chose an action like the Remington 700 or custom and then add a barrel and stock. building is a little more expensive but from the right guy, its well worth the money. Good luck with your project.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:22 PM
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Re: Considering options for a long range rifle

Great info guys thanks,
The game I'll be targetting for these longer shots will be Sambar in Australia, possibly the occasional red deer as well and on my annual trip to NZ tahr and chamois.
for recoil, I've never shot a 338 Lap or WM, I own a sako 85 in 300WM and the recoil on that I'm more than comfortable with. I'd look at getting a limbsaver or something for it if possible to reduce it though.
I should've worded the projectile question better, I know I'll have to find what shoots best in the gun but I meant what is better as a long range/hunting projectile performance wise so that I can try them first.
Thanks again,
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:28 PM
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Re: Considering options for a long range rifle

My knowledge with getting custom stuff done is very limited and as you said it can run pretty expensive, I do have a mate in NZ that is a highly respected gun smith that I have considered getting to do the job though I know it would be about double the price of a savage.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:13 PM
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Re: Considering options for a long range rifle

The red deer and the Sambar look like GREAT hunts. Makes me wish I lived in the outback. as far as the recoil, I have tried the limb saver and I think it messes me up more than helps because it moves on my shoulder when I fire the rifle. you may have a different experience though. A muzzle break is absolutely paramount. I have a one on my 300 WM and it makes the recoil manageable. I cant imagine a 338 Lapua without a break...

as far as the money, I would move away from that 338 if $$ is a concern because the cost of shooting. I read an analysis once on competitive shooting. even though you may spend $2000 AUS on a nightforce and $2500 on a rifle, you will put at least $3500 through it in ammo. I am thinking you will be spending $2.50 every time you pull the trigger even if you are loading with a cheap bullet for practice. the 300 winmag is regarded as adequate for elk in the states, so I don't think you would need the 338. Of course, I would love to have a 338 Lapua because they are SWEET rifles.

I am building a 6.5-06 right now on a Remington 700 action that I will take elk hunting. I figure I have $500 in the action (bought a used stainless sps rifle) $800 in the installed barrel, $400 in the bedding and stock, $200 in the Jewel Trigger and for now I using a Burris 5-20x50 fullfeild. I am saving for a nightforce ($1800 minimum in the states). have brass & dies.... $350 in that stuff. so lets see that's $2250 USD pretty close to your $2500 I think. I am having Hart do the barrel and bedding. Again, I don't know what the costs are in Aus. But remember, its more about who is running the reamer in the barrel, not the barrel itself. get a good barrel, but get a better gunsmith.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:05 PM
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I am building a 6.5-06 right now on a Remington 700 action that I will take elk hunting. I figure I have $500 in the action (bought a used stainless sps rifle) $800 in the installed barrel, $400 in the bedding and stock, $200 in the Jewel Trigger and for now I using a Burris 5-20x50 fullfeild. I am saving for a nightforce ($1800 minimum in the states). have brass & dies.... $350 in that stuff. so lets see that's $2250 USD pretty close to your $2500 I think. I am having Hart do the barrel and bedding. Again, I don't know what the costs are in Aus. But remember, its more about who is running the reamer in the barrel, not the barrel itself. get a good barrel, but get a better gunsmith.
Haha yeh Australia is a bit deceiving from what you see in the movies. All the deer live on the east coast where it's nice and green and we get decent rainfall. The outback is north/north west and that's where the pigs, buffalo, Banteng, brumbies, donkeys, camels, dingoes and crocs live. Down south it's just deer, kangaroos and a few wild dogs.

I'd definitely be getting a muzzlebreak for it that's for sure! Interesting what you say about the recoil pad and makes perfect sense, guess I'll just have to try that out and see if it works for me.

Yeh look I"m far from set on what I get but I realise the cost of shooting it and that doesn't bother me. When I said money was an issue I meant that I can't pay $7k for a Sako TRG 42 or $4.5k on a Schmidt und Bender Scope sorta thing.
My point with the prices was just to give people who wanted to help with advice the inflated cost of everything we have here.

I know elk are tough and you guys have a lot of other animals that take some putting down even moreso than ours but our sambar are really tough and I'm just keeping that in mind that if I want to shoot out to that 1000m mark eventually I'm going to have a round with enough energy left to deposit some hurt at the other end. Which is why I'd shy away from say another 300WM. I'm happy to use it out to 600m comfortably and I'll go further I just don't want to lose animals. Especially when running Barnes TTSX 180's that need around 2000fps to expand properly.

None of the calibres we're talking about are affected by this but a thing we always have to be concious of is that the bare minimum legal calibre for deer hunting is a .270 win. Ridiclous that a .264 cant be used on a deer as I'd love one but that's just how it is here.

That sounds like a good setup you're building, I'll be interested to know how it turns out.
Our problem is definitely the cost, for example that exact Jewell trigger in Aus is $450.
It's stupid, I just ordered a TC muzzleloader from the states and to get it here literally doubles the price.

I'm taking all of your info on board though and it's really helpful, appreciating it alot!
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