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Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

 
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Old 08-25-2005, 08:37 PM
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Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

I'm dumping a G3 clone to a friend and can get something in the no-more-than $1,300 range. I'm looking to get into 800 yds and beyond target shooting (no hunting [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]). I've done some research on ballistics, but was wondering what the real world experience was and if any of you have recommendations.

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Old 08-25-2005, 09:19 PM
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Old 08-25-2005, 11:09 PM
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Re: Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

Of the three you list, I would pic the Lapua over the other two every time. If your going to spend this much for brass you might as well get match quality brass which the Lapua is.

The Norma made 30-378 is generally pretty good but even more spendy then the Lapua. The Lazzeroni brass is very inconsistant and when paying +$2 per case, this is simply not acceptable.

The Lapua is easy to load, has long barrel life compared to the other two and will offer all the performance you could ever want out to 1000 yards with a 300 gr VLD or ULD bullet. Even the 250 gr bullets do very well at long range.

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Re: Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

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Of the three you list, I would pic the Lapua over the other two every time. If your going to spend this much for brass you might as well get match quality brass which the Lapua is.

The Norma made 30-378 is generally pretty good but even more spendy then the Lapua. The Lazzeroni brass is very inconsistant and when paying +$2 per case, this is simply not acceptable.

The Lapua is easy to load, has long barrel life compared to the other two and will offer all the performance you could ever want out to 1000 yards with a 300 gr VLD or ULD bullet. Even the 250 gr bullets do very well at long range.

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Thanks Kirby, I really value your comments and insights. Would you change your recommendations if barrel life and brass cost were not factors?

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Re: Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

If it's for targets only, I'd go for something with far less horsepower....there will be big savings in terms of cost per shot ...not to mention 'pleasantness' when you don't get beaten-up by recoil / thumped by a shock wave every time you pull the trigger [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ....6.5-284?
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Re: Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

I agree with BrownDog if you don't need the energy to kill anything but paper then why not choose a 6.5 or 7mm round , with the high BC 6.5 bullets pushed at a good velocity say around 3000+fps you should get out well past 1000yds with it.
Hell even one of Kirby's Allen mags with those ultra high BC Wildcat bullets and then if it comes up you can hunt with it
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Re: Conflicted between Weatherby 30-378, .Warbird and 338 Lapua

Bruinbro,

No not really. If you look at the rifle chambered in each round I would lean toward the Lapua anyway. Not a fan of the Wby MkV so that one would be off the table in my opinion, far to expensive for what you get on average.

All three rounds are chambered in the big Sako rifle. I have shot them all and all shoot very well in this rifle. Still, the 338 Lapua is on averge far easier to develope true match grade ammo for.

At ranges under 600 yards, the big 30 cals will have a slight advantage in trajectory because of the higher velocity potential but when loaded with a bullet like the 300 gr Wildcat ULD RBBT or 300 gr SMK, the 338 Lapua is ballistically superior at 1000 yards and out.

Actual bullet drop may be similiar but remember its wind drift that will cause us to miss far more then bullet drop errors. The higher the BC the less wind drift, the 300 gr 338 wins in this catagory.

Also, recoil of the 338 Lapua is milder in my opinion then the other two. In reality it may be a heavier recoil but it is a much slower shot to the shoulder then the big 30 cals which often produce a very intense Slap to the shoulder.

With a brake this is a non issue of course.

Of the three, only one was designed from the ground up to produce extreme accuracy over extreme range, that one being the Lapua.

A more cost effective way to get identical performance is the 338 RUM. Brass is not as good but I have built several of these rifles that will run toe to toe with the Lapua in velocity with same bullet weights and alsohold extremely tight groups in a custom rifle.

Another option is Shawn C.'s 338 Edge(338-300 RUM) A bit more performance but again more cost effective to get brass for.

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