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Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

 
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:45 AM
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Re: Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

Trebark is on it. The Whidden Pointing System is what I am referring too. It closes the meplat which allows for a more consistent front and a gain in BC (varies depending on caliber, bullet and how much you close the meplat). Others experience has shown that this process has not had a noticeable effect on the Berger HVLD's performance on game (130 & 140 gr 6.5's).

I know folks have appeared to be very pleased with the 215's performance, but I am wondering if a slight closure of the tip would alter the performance, or even allow slightly more penetration?

It is just a thought I have been contemplating recently. I know it seems to be working for some, but the pointing seems to be an easy process that might deliver some promising extra performance........
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:56 AM
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Re: Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

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Trebark is on it. The Whidden Pointing System is what I am referring too. It closes the meplat which allows for a more consistent front and a gain in BC (varies depending on caliber, bullet and how much you close the meplat). Others experience has shown that this process has not had a noticeable effect on the Berger HVLD's performance on game (130 & 140 gr 6.5's).

I know folks have appeared to be very pleased with the 215's performance, but I am wondering if a slight closure of the tip would alter the performance, or even allow slightly more penetration?

It is just a thought I have been contemplating recently. I know it seems to be working for some, but the pointing seems to be an easy process that might deliver some promising extra performance........
I'm not sure that you need more penetration, especially when it comes to long range? I would be more concerned about losing expansion at distance, but that is just my opinion since I haven't tested any like that. Generally speaking, a smaller meplat means more difficulty expanding, all else equal. Annealing the tip would probably make up some of that loss though.......Rich
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:12 AM
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Re: Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

Yesterday at 969 yards I sent 3 in a wind that was varying from 7 to 11 full value. I did my best to shoot as the wind was at the same point where I dialed for about 9 mph. I get to the target to find a group with two practically touching and the third taking group out to 4". The farthest from point of aim was about 5". 3 very dead elk or even antelope for that matter in a challenging wind.

I do check my tips on all hunting rounds to be open. I now use a tiny pin vice with a very small bit to insure I am not opening the holes from the average size. I guess there is always room for improvement and as long as there was not compromise it could be advantageous. But my success has been good enough, my motivation level to add more chores to my busy loading agenda, is a little low.

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Old 05-15-2014, 03:01 PM
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Re: Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

Jeff-tough to beat that for sure. I got real excited when I calculated the theoretical improvement and saw an estimated G1 BC of .731 (based on 5% increase). After comparing the numbers between the standard 215 and pointed 215, the improvement does not yield as much difference as I originally thought it might. While it was an improvement, I am not sure it justifies the extra step in the process, as you pointed out.

I do hope some others out there experiment with this, and I sure hope to as well.

Good Shooting!
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Re: Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

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Jeff-tough to beat that for sure. I got real excited when I calculated the theoretical improvement and saw an estimated G1 BC of .731 (based on 5% increase). After comparing the numbers between the standard 215 and pointed 215, the improvement does not yield as much difference as I originally thought it might. While it was an improvement, I am not sure it justifies the extra step in the process, as you pointed out.

I do hope some others out there experiment with this, and I sure hope to as well.

Good Shooting!
A buddy of mine shoots a 7saum with pointed 180grain Hybrids. He calculated (based on drop analysis) the BC increase at 4%. Not a huge improvement but when the shots get long, every bit helps.

For a hunting application though, pointed bullets will not expand as well (if at all) as those unpointed.
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Old 05-16-2014, 05:29 PM
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Re: Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid

Many people are pointing the 6.5 130 & 140 bullets for hunting and are killing things with ease. It has not seemed to effect those bullets performance at all. Not saying that will be the case with every bullet, every time; but it appears to be working fine for others. That is why I was thinking about it and asked the question.
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