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Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

 
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:54 PM
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

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so the myth is exactly that, a myth.


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Its no myth. They pencil through ribs and yet destroy an entire shoulder if you hit the shoulder bone. I personaly gave the 190 SMK 2 chances from the 308 and will never use them on game again.

The game we harvest deserves more than a couple of unexpanded bullets through the ribs only to be desimated by a shot to the shoulder that destroys 90% of the edible meat found there becuase we were to stupborn to use a "hunting bullet". No I am not here to debate SMK's for hunting. Given the right bullet, with the right caliber, at the right velocity, on the right game, they work great. The 190 SMK in a 308 at 300+ yards on deer is NOT the right combo.

You owe it to that deer worthy of your tag to harvest him cleanly and resposibly.
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Old 07-09-2006, 02:10 PM
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

As background information, and as a reply to capt david, I'll offer the following:

For the most part, this area is very open. It is likely that the available shots could be long. Sometimes there is absolutely no cover between you and the deer for a 1000 yards or more. They will only let you get so close. The area I scouted yesterday was burnt by a fire a few years ago and is basicly one large grassy meadow (fairly short grass at that). The deer are often spread out over a large area, which means lots of driving (road hunting) and glassing, followed by a short walk/stalk to get into a shooting position. The response to capt david is that I do plan to pack all the 'sand bags and rests' with me, along with the 12 lb rifle, unless circumstances dictate otherwise. The extra accuracy and higher ballistic coefficients of the SMK's may make a difference at these potential longer ranges, especially with wind drift.

I'm still skeptical about the 190's possibly 'pencil holing' a nice buck, and leading to a long tracking job. I do like the idea about uniforming the metplate to open up the hollow point a little. If I get the time I would also like to work up a load with the accubonds, but wonder if my time is better spent practicing with what I already know shoots well. I still wonder if the terminal ballistics of the 175 gr SMK would be any better than those of the 190?

Thanks for all of the great advice. Please keep it coming. I forgot the camera on yesterdays scouting trip, but will try to bring it on the next trip. We saw deer, elk, antelope, moose, coyotes, and wild horses. I saw a couple of deer that I think will be shooters when they come out of velvet, and one that was definately a shooter. In total, I saw about 30 bucks yesterday.
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

that is your experince, but only yours. I have had the same thing happen to me with SMK's and I have seen them open up nicely into a perfect mushroom. I have seen a 125gr BT shot at nearly 4000fps hit ribs on both sides of a whitetail and leave a less than 1" exit wound. Anything can and will happen.

YOu just cant say that they all pencil through, and I cant say that they will all open nicely and form a perfect mushroom, nothing happens the same 100% if the time. I personnaly love accubonds, amax's, and wildcat bullets but none of them are gonna preform 100% perfect all of the time.

Fishry,
If the SMK is what shoots lights out I would spend the remainder of your off season precticing as much as possible with that bullet until you feel 100% confident with it. and then when the time comes to make the shot let that 190gr bullet slam into the deers shoulder blade and I think you will be happy with the results.

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Old 07-09-2006, 05:07 PM
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

Lots of great points here on both sides of the line. Lerch is very wise in saying shoot what you have confidence in. If you lack any faith in what you are shooting you are asking for trouble. Also it is true no matter what bullet you shoot success is not garunteed. If you shoot enough deer with any given load something you can not explain will happen. Captdavid also has a good point, a hunting rifle that can shoot .5 moa is deadly. .25" groups are great but if a better hunting bullet shoots .5 consistantly I would put my money on the hunting bullet. Now another problem is you want to shoot to 1000 yards with a 308. That rules out the 165-168gr bullets. Talk to the guys who shoot palma or f class. A popular saying is the only way to get a 168 to 1000 is in the pickup. I have shot the 168 gr bullets to 1000 with success but you are right on the edge and you have to push them hard. Now you are back to the 175, 178 or 180 class bullets. It should also be said the 155 palma bullets get to 1000 but are lacking energy sure kills and the wind drift is greater. But it may be worth looking at 155 berger vld or the 155 lapua bullet and run the numbers. I shoot 175 smk's out of my ar10 style rifle and make hits at 1130 yards on steel all day long. I have done the same thing with this rifle and 178 a max (muzzle velocity of both loads is 2750). Hope this helps.
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Old 07-09-2006, 06:20 PM
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

Fishry, why carry sand bags shoot from a bi-pod.......Check out the group That Shawn Carlock shot at 1276 yards from a bi-pod............

Bi-pod much simpler and very accurate.......
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Old 07-09-2006, 06:29 PM
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

If I consistently got around 0.50 MOA with one of the hunting bullets that I tried, I would go that route, but could only do that with the 168, 175, and 190 gr SMK's. I was only able to get the Hornady's and SGK's to around and inconsistent 1.0 MOA, and even at that the 165 -168 gr bullets that I tried seemed to get worse as the distance got greater (at a faster rate than the 175's and the 190's to be specific).

At this point, I don't know if I would actually take a 1000 yard shot with the 308. The conditions would have to be perfect and I would still be concerned about the retained energy at that distance. I would feel more comfortable with a 600 to 800 yard shot. Essentially, I'm not going to be looking for a long shot, but may need to take one with the layout of this area so thats what I'm practicing and preparing for. Oh, and I'm definately going to be using a LRF.
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Old 07-09-2006, 06:41 PM
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Re: Bullet Worthy of a Once-in-a -Lifetime Trophy?

jwp475,

Good point. I'm still working on my bipod shooting skills. Maybe I'll be there by hunting season. If I need to go very far from the truck to set up for a shot, then maybe it'll have to be the bipod and a rear bag. I do like the looks of the Stoney Point tripod with the rear support ... maybe next year for that. The shooting bags are filled with walnut shell media, aren't too heavy, and work well for me.
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