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Blaser r93 - is it accurate. Did it deserve the "Rifle of the Century"

 
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:42 AM
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Re: Blaser r93 - is it accurate. Did it deserve the "Rifle of the Century"

BB,

You are a troll , are you a gun smith , Opps , maybe NO , their are comments from a Brit & German gunsmiths , both use to real mil weapons , both donot like them , and have put forward vaild reasons , as to why .

If you actually look at the pics of the rifles that have blown up , the ONE thing that impresses me is that all rifles that are NOT Blasers , ie the Sako Finnlights & the AI AW50 , the action/bolt HELD , and did not let parts be driven rearward , the barrels split etc BUT the action HELD.
The Sako problem was traced to the barrel lube used in making the barrels , effected around 200 rifles and Sako recalled them all ASAP , the AI issue was they think a fragment of cloth used to clean the barrel , that remained in the bore , and this set off the explosive projectle when fired .
But you did not want to hear that ,


In the cases of the Blaser , the bolt did NOT hold , Opps , all the rifles failed , BUT only one design injuried or killed its owner , that for the termally blind was the Blaser 93 .

And Mate , just because the Aussie army use it , does not meant its the best thing since sliced bread , they like others make mistakes ( Opps , will will not talk of the M60 GPMG and other **** weapons the Aussies have adopted over the years ) .

If you are real interested in 338LM sniper rifles , you need to look at what MOST armies are using , and you will find , that its usually an AI AWSM or Sako TRG-42 .

Also being a Fan Boy & owner you have a vested interest in defending your rifle , even when its crap .

Also , IF you actually knew anything , you would know , a few things about the Howas , like they are very well made , the only bad thing you could say is they are not Lite , most also think of them very similar to a the old Sako actions , and most shooters LOVE the old Sakos ,

The bolts on the Howas , are also 1 piece , no handle of bolt head to come OFF .

BUT you did not want to know that either , is its at odds with your prefect BLASER world you live IN .

Later Chris
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:54 AM
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BB,

You are a troll , are you a gun smith , Opps , maybe NO , their are comments from a Brit & German gunsmiths , both use to real mil weapons , both donot like them , and have put forward vaild reasons , as to why .

If you actually look at the pics of the rifles that have blown up , the ONE thing that impresses me is that all rifles that are NOT Blasers , ie the Sako Finnlights & the AI AW50 , the action/bolt HELD , and did not let parts be driven rearward , the barrels split etc BUT the action HELD.
The Sako problem was traced to the barrel lube used in making the barrels , effected around 200 rifles and Sako recalled them all ASAP , the AI issue was they think a fragment of cloth used to clean the barrel , that remained in the bore , and this set off the explosive projectle when fired .
But you did not want to hear that ,


In the cases of the Blaser , the bolt did NOT hold , Opps , all the rifles failed , BUT only one design injuried or killed its owner , that for the termally blind was the Blaser 93 .

And Mate , just because the Aussie army use it , does not meant its the best thing since sliced bread , they like others make mistakes ( Opps , will will not talk of the M60 GPMG and other **** weapons the Aussies have adopted over the years ) .

If you are real interested in 338LM sniper rifles , you need to look at what MOST armies are using , and you will find , that its usually an AI AWSM or Sako TRG-42 .

Also being a Fan Boy & owner you have a vested interest in defending your rifle , even when its crap .

Also , IF you actually knew anything , you would know , a few things about the Howas , like they are very well made , the only bad thing you could say is they are not Lite , most also think of them very similar to a the old Sako actions , and most shooters LOVE the old Sakos ,

The bolts on the Howas , are also 1 piece , no handle of bolt head to come OFF .

BUT you did not want to know that either , is its at odds with your prefect BLASER world you live IN .

Later Chris
Oh dear .........
Chris, I am always amused when a reply to a post starts with a personal insult.
A: It gives a good indication of the country the reply is coming from.
B: It also provides a indication of the poster's character, personality and general intellect, or lack there off.
At this point. I usually hit the delete button, and move on to the next post or subject.
But as your a Kiwi, I have decided to give you the benefit of my 30+ years of employment, with Australia's largest military contractor.
That's right little buddy, the company that refurbed the Aussie Skyhawks before selling them to the NZ Air Force. The company that built the ANZAC class frigates for the NZ Navy. And the very same company that supplies small arms and ammunition to the NZ Army.
Now lets start with some of your rantings.

1. Were you present, at the destruction of any of your above mentioned firearms ? What NO, I didn't think so ........
You see for every lame, uninformed quote that you can trot out, I can provide factual evidence of the exact opposite. Look up the Swedish army's small arms destruction tests on YouTube. In said test, half of the conventional bolt action rifles are destroyed, the Blaser R93 was not one them.
I am also aware of the Raufoss round failure in the AI ..... would you like some footage of the testing ?

2. "The **** weapons the Aussies adopted" ...... that ones a bit rich isn't it !
I seem to recollect, excluding the above examples already provided, that the NZDF, adopts the same weapons as the ADF ...... something to do with the ANZUS treaty may be ???
And further more, NZ purchases are usually tacked on to the end of an Australian contract and or licence agreement. AUS steyr ring any bells.
So if you want **** weapons, just hang about, because the NZDF buy ours when where finished with them.

3. Now the Howas. I'm well aware of the history of Howa, it's predecessor, the CMC Mountaineer and the Sako L series, that the Howa's have been alleged to be copied from.
When I purchase a firearm, the last consideration is price.
Price is what makes them attractive to gunsmiths as a base rifle, and I would hardly consider a one piece bolt as a rifles strong point.

Now Chris, I would be most grateful if you did not reply to this post ..... as then, I would be able to continue on, in my perfect Blaser world, safe and secure in the knowledge, that I have provided, yet another dumb as dog **** Kiwi with just a slither of hope, that one day they may make it out of the third world ........... Take my advise, find a nice sheep, and settle down ...... and stay the **** off the Internet and forums.

Kind Regards
Blaser Boy
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:34 AM
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Im sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Take it easy guys, its just a gun.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:05 PM
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Re: Blaser r93 - is it accurate. Did it deserve the "Rifle of the Century"

Its funny you donot address any of the points I actually brought up , and go off on a rant about boats planes & other crap .

Rifle of the Century , NO not in my World .

I pointed to the fact , that you holding up the Aussies adoptaion of the Blaser in 338LM as a validation of the worth of the design , and I said one single use does not mean thant much , as people do make mis , so do countries , opps , and by the M60 , other than the USA , I think Aussie was the ONLY other country to adopt ( and PAY for IT ) this flawed design , virtually all other users did not buy them , they where basically given them under US aide .

We in NZ , adopted the excellent British made GPMG which is basically the world famous MAG58 .

Now even the US & Aussie run MAG58s over the M60 series GPMG .

In reguards to Armies world wide that use the Blaser in 338LM , the list I think would be very small , most seem to use AI or Sako in n the 338LM calibre , and thats a FACT , Opps , you donot like facts do you .

My understanding of the Blaser Aussie Army issue is it was a quick purchase off the self ,and as such , I donot think any actual prooper trials where run .
In actual Trials done in 97-98 in Aussie , where they had more than one rifle under consideration , they adopted the AWF in 308 from AI , and the AW50 in 50BMG as well .


I see the Blaser as the Fosters of rifles , ie a triumph in marketing over substance , in simple terms a big fantastic marketing campaign & an The Brits must remember the Fosters Beer ads , for those unfimialr , Fosters is a Lager beer , and not a good one ,

Most people I know who have had a Blaser93 have sold them and moved on to better systems , one guy used a 93 Tac model for a while in comps , but sold and uses , Barnard & Nesika etc type actions now .

I donot hate all Blaser products , I liked the 84 action , but not this collet bolt head type , from what I gathered when I was interested in the Tac version ( I did some research & chatted to 2 good gunsmiths about the system , and on their veiws , decided I did not want one ) , the failling of the system , usually happens went a primer leaks or is pierched , the hot gasses vent down the firing pin hole and destory the washer thats holds/cams the locking splines closed .

This washer on std models was a type of plastic back then , and the company must have known it was an issue , as the bigger 338LM model of the same time period used a steel washer .

Also the std saddle type mounts donot seem to holdup or retain a zero that well , as a German police unit returned their Blaser Tacs 3 times due to not retaining their zeros , in the end they got rid of them , the pitcanny rail on the newer Tac models holds up better I think .

AN I believe their are much better rifles out their than the Blaser 93 , thats why I have AIs , Sakos , Parker Hales , Tikkas , Surgeons , Badgers , PGW etc .

And YEAP , In my world it is BLASER FREE .

Later Chris
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:29 PM
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I also forgot , as well as 3 or more Blaser93 bolw ups that caused injury or death , one Kiwi Hunter had a blow up , he was very lucky in that he was not hurt , most 93 blow ups actually have injuried the shooter involved .

The shooter was a well known international hunter , who owns the Swazi clothing company , he has a need for compact take down type hunting rifles as he hunts all over the world .
The Blaser93 was I think chambered in 300 Weatherby mag , and happened while hunting in Canada , I beleive , he had the barrel rapture on him .
He thought Blaser would make right on it , ie replace etc , instead they offered a barrel for hme to buy & a cheap bottle of booze , NICE .

He does not use a Blaser rifle any more .

If you want more info on his experience of the Blaser 93 , he mentions it in his last hunting book , Opps another FACT .

Later Chris
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:20 PM
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Its funny you donot address any of the points I actually brought up , and go off on a rant about boats planes & other crap .

Rifle of the Century , NO not in my World .

I pointed to the fact , that you holding up the Aussies adoptaion of the Blaser in 338LM as a validation of the worth of the design , and I said one single use does not mean thant much , as people do make mis , so do countries , opps , and by the M60 , other than the USA , I think Aussie was the ONLY other country to adopt ( and PAY for IT ) this flawed design , virtually all other users did not buy them , they where basically given them under US aide .

We in NZ , adopted the excellent British made GPMG which is basically the world famous MAG58 .

Now even the US & Aussie run MAG58s over the M60 series GPMG .

In reguards to Armies world wide that use the Blaser in 338LM , the list I think would be very small , most seem to use AI or Sako in n the 338LM calibre , and thats a FACT , Opps , you donot like facts do you .

My understanding of the Blaser Aussie Army issue is it was a quick purchase off the self ,and as such , I donot think any actual prooper trials where run .
In actual Trials done in 97-98 in Aussie , where they had more than one rifle under consideration , they adopted the AWF in 308 from AI , and the AW50 in 50BMG as well .


I see the Blaser as the Fosters of rifles , ie a triumph in marketing over substance , in simple terms a big fantastic marketing campaign & an The Brits must remember the Fosters Beer ads , for those unfimialr , Fosters is a Lager beer , and not a good one ,

Most people I know who have had a Blaser93 have sold them and moved on to better systems , one guy used a 93 Tac model for a while in comps , but sold and uses , Barnard & Nesika etc type actions now .

I donot hate all Blaser products , I liked the 84 action , but not this collet bolt head type , from what I gathered when I was interested in the Tac version ( I did some research & chatted to 2 good gunsmiths about the system , and on their veiws , decided I did not want one ) , the failling of the system , usually happens went a primer leaks or is pierched , the hot gasses vent down the firing pin hole and destory the washer thats holds/cams the locking splines closed .

This washer on std models was a type of plastic back then , and the company must have known it was an issue , as the bigger 338LM model of the same time period used a steel washer .

Also the std saddle type mounts donot seem to holdup or retain a zero that well , as a German police unit returned their Blaser Tacs 3 times due to not retaining their zeros , in the end they got rid of them , the pitcanny rail on the newer Tac models holds up better I think .

AN I believe their are much better rifles out their than the Blaser 93 , thats why I have AIs , Sakos , Parker Hales , Tikkas , Surgeons , Badgers , PGW etc .

And YEAP , In my world it is BLASER FREE .

Later Chris

aaaarrrrrrrrrhhhhhH ........... Now see, that's what happens when you don't hit the delete thread button !
Chris, I addressed ALL of your points, but as you have crafted a sensible and insult free reply, I am going to through caution to the wind, and have one more go.

The Blaser Tac did go through the normal ADF adoption criteria, and no problems were detected. In fact, it did extremely well with regards accuracy and durability. However, the "regiment" that uses the TAC, gets what ever they like ( within reason ) when ever they like.
I'm afraid the PIG ( M60 ) was a little before my time, but given the ADF's purchase of refurbed M1 Abrams ( about as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike and you'll get them in 10 years time ) I would concede, these individuals do have form.
With regards to minority users, I would point out, that the Canadian Army uses McMillan's of all things, and it does not appear to hinder there operation.
There are currently eleven Army's ( not police forces ) using Tac 2. Ops, Ops, ******* Ops ....... there's another fact.

Who drinks Fosters ??? only Poms and tourists. Not valid, move on.

Blasers statistically, are no more safe or dangerous than any other firearm.
All firearms have there positive and negatives aspects.
Blaser R93 is now the highest selling sporting firearm in Europe, of all time.
Ops, Ops Fact ! They must have done something right.
If design engineers and technical developer do not further and push the envelope. We would all still be using Rem 700's, and still be thinking, that "They the ****" ( There's another, delete twenty threads right there )

I have used / tested most of the firearms you have listed, including one very special DSR ( think about it ) all of them have there good, and bad points.
I would not say any of them, are any better than my Blaser, for my particular application.

Now the Swazi man ( I have read book ) ...... I think it was most generous of Blaser to give the Swazi Man a bottle wine, considering that, that particular incident was caused by a barrel obstruction ! ( some say it was wool )

I just get a little pissed off, when so called experts, or German gunsmiths, get on a forum, and shoot there mouth off, about a respected German trading company.
Particularly, when his disciples jump in on the bashing and he pushes Howa rifles as a creditable tactical or competition option. And I know, that not even you would swallow that one !
I wounder what his drinking buddies think of him now ........

Kind Regards
Blaser Boy.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:32 PM
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Re: Blaser r93 - is it accurate. Did it deserve the "Rifle of the Century"

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Im sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Take it easy guys, its just a gun.
That was a cruel and cheap taunt, and not worthy of your Silver Member status !!! LMFAO.
Please refrain from such ridiculous outbursts in future !
I'm going to have to lie down now ...... my guts hurt ......
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