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Unread 08-09-2009, 04:15 PM
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Big custom guns

I'm getting really serious about getting a 338-408. and I'm looking for Ideas I'm leaning toward a repeater but not for sure I would love input, spects and pics of any custom you have had built. Thanks
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Unread 08-09-2009, 07:17 PM
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Re: Big custom guns

I am having Bruce Baer and Joel Russo build a 338-408 on a new Stiller 408 action.

Jerry is making them in a 1.450 and 1.60 diameter and in single shot or repeater. I got a 1.60 single shot action.

IMO a repeater in that case is definitely not needed. You are not in a tactical world where sustained fire is a requirement so why add $500 Plus to the cost of the build when you can reload just as fast for two shots with a single shot.

Big actions require big stocks, Joel Russo has an A5L (large diameter actions) what can accommodate what you want. Pick any kind of wood or laminate you want.

I went with a 32" Bartlein barrel that is 1.350 for five inches (gives me one setback and rechamber) and tapered to .950 at the muzzle and fluted. Cost was $611 shipped.

Brake was the new Holland Radial. Cost is either $100 or $110 and the one on my Lapua AI is absolutely the best brake I have seen, bar none., especially for big bores.

40 MOA base and Jewell trigger set at 1.5 lbs.

Stock will be exhibition grade bubinga with modified A5L. removabel sling studs front and rear in metal bushings.

Bruce is doing the chambering now and Joel is working the stock, hopefully can pick up in early sept at latest.

I believe Bruce had the first 5-6 Stiller 408 actions shipped and might have one or two left. www.baercustomrifles.com

Bruce also has a resize reamer to match the chamber reamer and can make a set of dies for you.

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Unread 08-09-2009, 07:17 PM
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Re: Big custom guns

Here is one of mine. I built it as a repeater because I thought I should have at least on in that configuration. My others are single shot.
This is a .338-.408 Improved, built by Baer. Although I built this one on the Lawton 8000 action, I would not recommend it.
33", 10 tw Krieger.
Someday I'll have time to make a stock for it.

The repeater will add approximately $500.00 to the total cost.

This is the rifle that shot the 3.806" group at 1,680 yards last year at Thunder Valley Range in Ohio.

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Unread 08-09-2009, 07:51 PM
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Re: Big custom guns

I have a 338 Kahn built by Kirby Allen (not quite as "big" as what you are thinking about). This was my first "single shot" built on a Nesika action with a Lilja barrel and McMillan stock. I was a little apprehensive about the single shot but after having hunting with it for several years I have yet to find it a handicap. As a general rule, if I miss with the first shot it is because I did something wrong. Misread the wind, or some other factor, so it is necessary to first figure out what went wrong, make the necessary compensation, etc before it is time for the follow up shot. The time required to drop in another round is not a big factor in my opinion.

In a combat situation where you would be engaging multiple targets a repeater would certainly be called for, but for a hunting rifle I don't think it is that big of a deal.

On the plus side, I like being able to mess with seating my bullets anywhere I want without having to worry about if they will fit in the magazine.

Part of my setup for a long range shot is to have my spare ammo laid out next to me..........The actual time it takes me to pick a round and drop it in is pretty minimal if I am trying to do it in a hurry. I have never had a call to get in a big hurry in a hunting situation, but I do practice, just in case
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Unread 08-09-2009, 08:21 PM
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Re: Big custom guns

Just buy the one Kirby has for sale
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Unread 08-09-2009, 08:32 PM
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Re: Big custom guns

In these chamberings, I don't feel there is any hindrance to a single shot.
1)It doesn't take long (like 1 second) to drop a second round in if you need it in a hunting situation.
2)You don't want to heat up the throat and shorten the barrel life.

Here is a pic of my 338 Allen Mag.

Bat Action
32" Lilja fluted barrel Kirby Allen Muzzle Brake
McMilan A5 with adjustable cheekpiece
Nightforce NXS 3.5x15x50 with NP-R1 reticle
Jewel Trigger

3 Elk shot at, 3 Elk taken

Weighs 18lbs with Bipod attached.

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Unread 08-09-2009, 10:08 PM
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Re: Big custom guns

Hey Joel why would you not go with the lawton action again.
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