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Old 11-28-2011, 09:31 PM
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Re: Big 7 vs Big 30 --- long range rifle cartridge selection

.......My interpretation of what Len is asking is the membership's opinion on a caliber choice and WHY.

My response to that is this:

Not knowing how proficient this shooter is, I'd go with the Dakota hands down just for the recoil issue. Those of us that have put lots of lead downrange and take our shooting to the extremes tend to be able to shrug off the psychological effects of recoil pretty well. I know I'm preaching to the choir to say the least, but the point is still valid when a new shooter is asking about big calibers.

I'd never recommend a RUM to someone that I didn't know PERSONALLY, so I could gauge whether they could handle it well.

I've seen tons of posts about shooters getting beat up shooting the 7mm Rem Mag. I can't fathom that myself. But it goes to show how recoil sensitive some shooters are.

So yeah...if it were me, I'd have to recommend the Dakota.
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:55 PM
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Re: Big 7 vs Big 30 --- long range rifle cartridge selection

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Richard, where I hunt 90% of the time I couldn't find any of the typical long range factory cartridges. And if I found some 300 RUM's to use that one as an example I wouldn't have much of a hunt anyway. Not sighted in, no good groups, no drop table.

So I've always thought that concern was overblown.

If you put a brake on BOTH rifles the recoil will still be 50% more.
Overblown or not, that's my opinion/preference.

If you had to go to all that trouble to do the comparison, then the Dakota isn't compelling for me and I'd lean towards the one with a factory ammo option.

But, I do agree that accuracy and long range viablility would be a big concern if you had to resort to that. So, the spare rifle is always a good thing as stated by pyro.

Thanks,
Richard
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Old 11-29-2011, 04:07 AM
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Overblown or not, that's my opinion/preference.

If you had to go to all that trouble to do the comparison, then the Dakota isn't compelling for me and I'd lean towards the one with a factory ammo option.

But, I do agree that accuracy and long range viablility would be a big concern if you had to resort to that. So, the spare rifle is always a good thing as stated by pyro.

Thanks,
Richard
I do however agree with you to a point on factory chamberings. In the case of the Dakota what would concern me is the brass availability. And from what I have heard the Dakota brass (made by hornady I believe) has gotten mixed reviews. I have heard that it's expensive though. At least with Remington brass it's cheap and you can get it.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:41 AM
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Re: Big 7 vs Big 30 --- long range rifle cartridge selection

I hunt with both 7STW and 300 RUM. Both are very accurate but the 7STW does not hit as hard or deliver as much damage as the 300 RUM
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Old 11-29-2011, 10:04 AM
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Re: Big 7 vs Big 30 --- long range rifle cartridge selection

Before I became a big fan of customs and wildcat chamberings I had a small love affair with Weatherby's. I owned a 7mm Wby Mag for a long time and shot alot of game with it before I sold it and bought the first Accumark 300Wby mag. my local dealer got in his store.

I would assume there was a measurable difference in recoil between the two but I noticed little to no difference in recoil between them. Having used both for many years I would go with a big .30 over a big 7 any day. Im a big fan of the big .30's such as the RUM and IMO if I could only have one rifle to do everything with, it would be a big .30 such as the RUM.
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Old 11-29-2011, 04:57 PM
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Re: Big 7 vs Big 30 --- long range rifle cartridge selection

Unless recoil is the issue, I would always go with the 300 when you are talking long range. This is of course comparing equal or close b.c.'s. All else being equal, there is no substitute for the extra punch and greater frontal area so why not take advantage of it. This is why a lot of the guys on this forum use the big .338's........Rich
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:10 PM
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Re: Big 7 vs Big 30 --- long range rifle cartridge selection

I think we get lost and focus just on ft/lbs energy when we talk about which calibers when really there's so many other factors to consider as well. The big 338's I personally don't even consider an option unless you are planning on shooting over 1000 yards. Do these other calibers arrive with more energy? Yes! But do you need it is the question. No doubt the big 30 have more power and therefore "more killing potential" but that doesn't mean that the lesser calibers are not effective. I think there was a poll on here and most shooters have never taken game past 700 yards, now j know there are lots that have but these are exceptional shooters and not the norm. My realistic range isn't to 1000 so shy would I need a gun that has better power at ranges I won't even be hunting, especially when there are option that fit my needs more appropriately. There's no doubt on pure numbers the n
Big 30 have more killing potential than the 7's and the big 338's more than the 30's but there are always individual factors to consider that make make a lesser chambering a better choice. Don't get me wrong though I love the idea of a 300 RUM and one day it will be the right choice for me, it just isn't right now.
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