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Unread 01-17-2013, 08:23 PM
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Re: Best Scope Leveling System...

There is only one thing that is critical and that is HAVING A LEVEL RETICLE WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER. IOW you could cant the rifle and still shoot without detriment at long range if your reticle is level as demonstrated by David Tubb with his cheek-over rifle



So a level reticle is relative in that you could level it to your eye and your buddy could come along who holds rifles at a cant and he will say that the reticle is not level.

The best method I have found is to take all the cant out of the rifle, level the reticle to a distant horizontal or vertical object and then install an anti-cant device to use at the bench or in the field to insure that the reticle is level when you shoot.

To take the cant out of the rifle I use and EXD Device

exd at Brownells

and place the rifle in a vise and snug the vees on the device down on the barrel and scope to align the scope centerline with the barrel centerline



the gun in the vise is aimed out the door at a 4' level sitting on the fence at 30 yds. When the EXD level is perfect THE RIFLE IS UNCANTED. Then rotate the scope in the rings to level the reticle with the distant object. When the EXD is level and the reticle is level with the distant object, THE RETICLE IS LEVEL WHEN THE RIFLE IS UNCANTED.

Now is the time to install an anti-cant device on the scope. I like the ScopLevel because you can see it above the ocular without losing your cheek placement on the stock



and folds down out of the way when not in use



I install quite a few scopes and haven't had any complaints about unlevel reticles since using this method

YMMV
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    Re: Best Scope Leveling System...

    In retrospect, for years, I didn't use anything. I just lined the reticle up by eyeballing it and that worked for deer and varmit hunting here in Michigan because the shots weren't that far anyway and a high power scope for me was a 3-9 with a 1" tube and a 40mm objective with capped turrets of course and maybe an AO for parallelax that I never fiddled with, just set at 100 yards and forgot it. Half my guns had iron sights. That worked too......

    Things changed. Scopes got better, rifles got better and distances increased.... (The old Bushnell 3-9 was fine back then, in fact it was a 'long range' optic....)

    Now, I get all the knobs, the zero set, high turrets, big tube, big objective, bubble level, the whole shot because the usual 100 yard shot has increased and so has the complexity of alignment.

    I never lapped any ring set 25 years ago. I didn't even know what a 20MOA cant rail was. If the tube got a little kiink in it because of the rings, you just figured it was clamping well....

    Times have changed, firearms have changed and we have changed with the advancements.

    As an aside, I have a probably 30 year old Bushnell spotting scope in green rubber armor coat that I still use and my buddy has one too. He dropped his and broke the ocular evecup so I told him I'd machine a new one out of acetal for him. I pulled the eyepiece out of mine to gage the thread pitch and was amazed. the glass in my 30 year old Bushnell dime store spotter is none other than BOL (Low glass). Amazing.

    No wonder it's still good, in fact, it's extremely clear and crisp. Now I know why. I think I paid 30 buckss new for it......
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    Re: Best Scope Leveling System...

    Do not buy any level which attaches to a Davidson base or to the scope rail. These level the rifle only, not good. Brownell's makes a good device.
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    Re: Best Scope Leveling System...

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    There is only one thing that is critical and that is HAVING A LEVEL RETICLE WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER. IOW you could cant the rifle and still shoot without detriment at long range if your reticle is level as demonstrated by David Tubb with his cheek-over rifle



    So a level reticle is relative in that you could level it to your eye and your buddy could come along who holds rifles at a cant and he will say that the reticle is not level.

    The best method I have found is to take all the cant out of the rifle, level the reticle to a distant horizontal or vertical object and then install an anti-cant device to use at the bench or in the field to insure that the reticle is level when you shoot.

    To take the cant out of the rifle I use and EXD Device

    exd at Brownells

    and place the rifle in a vise and snug the vees on the device down on the barrel and scope to align the scope centerline with the barrel centerline



    the gun in the vise is aimed out the door at a 4' level sitting on the fence at 30 yds. When the EXD level is perfect THE RIFLE IS UNCANTED. Then rotate the scope in the rings to level the reticle with the distant object. When the EXD is level and the reticle is level with the distant object, THE RETICLE IS LEVEL WHEN THE RIFLE IS UNCANTED.

    Now is the time to install an anti-cant device on the scope. I like the ScopLevel because you can see it above the ocular without losing your cheek placement on the stock



    and folds down out of the way when not in use



    I install quite a few scopes and haven't had any complaints about unlevel reticles since using this method

    YMMV
    +1 on the EXD device. I use one every time I mount a scope on a rifle. In regard to David Tubb's "canted" scope, as long as the vertical crosshair is aligned with the bore of the rifle, you can mount your scope in any crazy configuration you want. But if the vertical crosshair is not aligned with the bore, then your shots will display windage at the longer and longer distances and you will need to adjust your windage for those shots.

    WOODS, I like the camo on your rifle stock. Can you tell me more about it?
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    Re: Best Scope Leveling System...

    Great post & pics Woods.
    I use an EXD on a BR gun, ScopLevel, and my front rest bag is leveled as well.
    For one varmint gun(thumbhole stock) I use a comfortable cant.
    With a Tubbs 2000 I ran with 7deg of cant. I recently sold it, but it was the most comfortable gun in the world(best trigger too).
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    WOODS, I like the camo on your rifle stock. Can you tell me more about it?
    That was a dip that a gunsmith did, he is out on Mueske Rd out 290 if you are familiar with Houston

    Called NaturalGear

    rifle stock camo natural gear - Google Search

    I like it cause it is low key and not garish
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    Re: Best Scope Leveling System...

    A target with a plumb line set up at 100 yards. Sight in on the box, dial up 30 moa using the same point of aim and fire a few more to assure it is all tracking true.

    Before the shooting starts I make sure the reticle is square with the set plumb line while my rail mounted bubble level is centered.

    Works for me.

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