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Old 09-20-2004, 10:36 PM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

Roper,
I did not say Rem. and Win.22-250 brass was
bad I merely stated that it is undersized
compared to Fed. and Norma and Fed.and Norma
are more consistant in weight and neck thick
ness. if you have a reamer made to fit Win.
brass the way it is supposed to you could never close the bolt on another brand of brass.if you make a reamer to fit fed. brass
you can still fire it and it work's fine with
Win. brass but it is bellied out like OPRAH.
For some reason 22-250 brass varies in size
more so from manufacturer to manufacturer
than most other caliber's and no one else but
me cares obviously,so GOOD NIGHT NOW !!!!
B
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:06 AM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>the PMC cases that LB
mentioned I found to be the perfect garbage
can liner in the lot I had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll keep that in mind, next time. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] But, thanks for mentioning your experience with 243 Lapua brass. It sounds like it is not necessary, in a coyote gun that shoots in the low .400"s with junk brass. LB
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:27 AM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

Brain B, My comment were in responce to Milanuke post and had nothing to do what you posted. If I had a comment as to what you posted I would of address it to you!
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:32 AM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

I ordered a lot of 500 PMC brass for my 223 Rem and have been extremely happy with its performance. It is heavy brass made to mil specs but with proper loading, it has provided 1/4 moa groups at 100 yards with fine velocity spreads and for very good pricing.

May also suprise alot of you that some of the very best 50 BMG brass on the market for building true match quality 50 BMG ammo is made by PMC.

I use only PMC and IMI brass in my 50 and find them to be very similiar in quality. I have to turn my necks for proper fit in my chamber but once that is done and the rest of the prepping is finished these brass will group in the 1/2 moa out to 500 yards in good shooting conditions.

I know the 50 is hardly comparible to what we are talking about here but the 223 is and I have been happy with the results in that caliber and will continue to use that brass in the 223.

PMC brass kind of has a Savage type reputation to some shooters, its cheap so they often do not even try it. I can not say all PMC brass is what I would call top quality but there is no brass on the market from a major manufacturer that can not be sorted and prepped into match quality brass, just depends on if you would rather spend mor emoney for pricy brass or spend more time at the bench.

I personally enough bench work and prepping cases so I will not spend the money on the Norma and Lapua brass. Not that this is not probably the best brass on the market, just can get the same results with a little time and alot less money in my opinion.

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Old 09-21-2004, 09:24 PM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

Fiftydriver,
You made my night,obviously you never read
my post earlier on this topic addressed to
Jerry Teo. when I quit laughing I would like
to talk about this further.
B
P.S.LB and Roper did not mean to offend I was
just getting a little RED last night because
no one was paying attention to the topic.
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Old 09-22-2004, 08:56 AM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

Brian B,

I was just reffering to the comment abou tthe use of PMC brass, Like I said, I have never used the stuff in anything but the 223 and 50 BMG so your are correct that this has no relavance in the topic at had.

I also do not know how this brass would perform as far as fireforming either. It is haevy brass very similiar to mil surplus stuff and some of those hulls do not improve real well.

I also agree that for out of the box brass, Norma and Lapua are the lone leaders by a long shot, no agruement from me there, your right on the money.

Back to the topic though, I do feel I can prep a Win Rem case into match grade configuration that will shoot jsut as well as the eruopean hulls, just take more time.

The comments about the size of the brass is also interesting. I totally agree, I wish the brass makers would get together and make the brass to the proper head diameter.

In my custom rifles I build usung reamers I design, I will admit rarely will I modify the body dimensions much as I do not want to limit my customers to a certain brand of brass because they vary so much.

When I chamber rifles in rounds like the 22-250 AI, 22-6mm AI, all the '06's and their AI counterparts, the brass always varies alot and you get that very noticable pressure buldge just above the case head.

Doesn't really effect accuracy as long as everything is cut true and square but it is unslightly.

No other case head family has this problem with undersized brass, often by 0.010", why do they not make the brass to a true 0.468"-0.470" diamter?

Good Shooting!!

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Old 09-22-2004, 12:37 PM
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Re: best quality brass for .22-250 AI

brian b, the comparison to the use of Norma brass is relevant because there is little benefit for the 22/250AI shooter. The '08 parent brass could be formed to work but would give little to no benefit over WIN/REM. In fact, my experience shows this brand of brass to be 'weaker/softer' for high pressure applications.

The Fed 308 is exactly the same point. The brass is excellent and would make a great base to form 22/250AI brass. But the volume is smaller so be careful.

The comments were directed at and relevant to the orig post. Just looking at it from more angles then the obvious.

Jerry
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