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Unread 04-29-2011, 08:59 AM
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Re: best Long Range Caliber for big game! please look

I just built a rifle that would meet your needs it is a 338 Nawakwa (338 Lapua imp)
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Unread 04-29-2011, 09:08 AM
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That's a bad ass rig! A 338 lapua imp is a monster as well as a 338-378 Wby imp. A mile away reapers!
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Unread 04-29-2011, 09:33 AM
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My bench buddy has a 338 LAI, krieger, he cracks rock with it out 1600 to just under 2000. His is 22# That rifles got me drool.slather like the atlas also.
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Unread 04-29-2011, 09:38 AM
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Now that is a slick looking gun. Too pretty to take into the woods and get all scuffed up though.
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Unread 04-29-2011, 11:00 AM
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Here's what I did. Not typical but it got me there.

I hunted for decades with the same 270 Win. Shot everything from rockchucks to moose.

Got the long range bug. Upgraded to a 12#, all up, 270 Allen Magnum. Was a great choice. But. . . It seemed a little weak in the poop to be effective as I thought is needed for a 1200 yard shot on a bull elk. Deer? No problem.

Carry gun started out as a 338 WinMag. great shooting rig. Too much of a rainbow trajectory for really long range. Swapped barrels. It is now a breaked 338 RUM. Plenty of umph out to 1200. Its a 10# sporter. A great carry rig and good to 1200 yards with proper solid/steady shooting position.

I then dreamt about an long range cartridge that would do it all.

My first inclination was one of the extreme 338s. Its pretty tough to do better than one of the larger 338s. For example a 338 Allen Magnum or equilivent cartrige will out do about anything out there. A big factor is the avalibility of great 338 caliber bullets.

After much though I went big. Heck the price was the same. So why not and my over riding urge for "big" would be satisfied.

I now have a 375 Allen Mag. With currently available bullets the 338 Am will out do it. This thing weights 16# and kicks less than the 270 AM. And its good for everything, accuracy wize from chucks to mamoths.......

I'd think hard about one of the "bigger" than Lapua offerings in 338.
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The variety of game your looking at is larger than most, I really like the KISS method combined with a lot of shooting. A 338 RUM would serve the purpose very well also a 338 Lapua if you can build on an action for it. The 338 RUM is a simple solution, easily loaded with a variety of bullets and easily built on a cost effective platform.
Check out this thread, very good info and a lot of LR wisdom in it!! Medium 338's vs. Big 338's
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Unread 04-30-2011, 09:25 AM
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With the quality muzzle brakes we have today, recoil is not even a consideration. I have had 13 year old girls shooting my 338 and 375 Allen Magnums and slapping my 20" diameter gong at 1000 yards and beyond so as far as recoil, not an issue.

For those that say if you have to have a muzzle brake, your shooting to much gun, will, lets just leave that one alone for now, simply put, silly opinion to have pure and simple.

For what you list, moose, black bear and whitetails, you really do not need a 338 magnum chambering. Nothing at all wrong with them but moose hurt very easily. In all honesty, moose are generally shot at pretty close range and they are no where near as tough as elk are.

If your looking to hunt elk past 1000 yards, certainly get a 338 magnum chambering as a first choice option but for all else, its not needed unless you want one. I do not believe you can be overgunned but you do not ALWAYS need alot of horse power.

That said, I DO believe you can be UNDERGUNNED. The 243 is a great chambering but in my opinion, for deer hunting, you would be best to keep shots under 400 yards. I will take some heat for this comment from some but it just does not have the bullet weight or retained velocity or energy in my opinion for hunting much past this range on deer size game. Will it kill deer at longer ranges, certainly, MUCH longer ranges but I would not do this on a regular basis.

IF a customers came to me with the requirements for a custom rifle that you want. Probably my first choice would be the 300 RUM loaded with the 200 gr Accubond at 3200 fps in a medium weight rifle, 9-10 lb sporter with 26-27" barrel length. More then enough power for anything you list, very accurate, easy to load for, no fireforming so you can just get started focusing on making good ammo and then shoot.

Recoil, a 300 RUM sporter rifle with my PK muzzle brake will recoil less then a 243 sporter weight rifle, more muzzle blast for sure but a good set of electronic hearing protection will solve that problem and they work great for hunting situations, especially long range.

The 300 RUM offers a huge option list for bullet choices, relatively good on barrel life for a big game rifle, huge selection of powders to use, decent brass at decent prices, very accurate, very powerful and great terminal performance on the game you list.

That would likely be my first recommendation.
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