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Bergers for Grizzley Bears

 
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:04 AM
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Bergers for Grizzley Bears

Hi Boys and Girls Been lurking on the site for a while, thought I would stir the pot with a new thread. Got a grizz draw for area 7/39 in northern B.C. Canada, April 15th-June15th. Its high alpine, remote wild country. We plan on hunting from horse back as it is so rugged. I will be shooting a 308 Norma Mag loaded with Berger 210gr bullets seated .003 off the lands, with a 1 in 12 twist. Yes I know that the 300 magnum class rifle is not recommended for the great bears. My hunting partner carries a auto 12ga loaded with 3.5" sabots and a 340 Weatherby Magnum for back up and second shooter so I should be ok with weapon selection. Would never consider the Norma without proper backup. We plan on going back in there for two weeks as its 450 klicks from the pavement on logging roads and rough 4X4 vehicle access only. From our intell gathering have found out that there are lots and lots of very big bears in that MU. Will keep you all posted on how the hunt goes and if we get one I will post photos. Am a little nervous about using Berges on the great bear, anybody have any comments to make about bullet selection?


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Old 03-17-2008, 10:24 AM
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It may not be the most frequently recommended cartridge but if you look at the historical records from Alaska, LOTS of brownies/griz have been taken with the 30-'06 and 300 winmag. Unfortunately, I can't offer first-hand advice on that particular Berger bullet.

One of my best hunting buddies has a 308 Norma and I've been quite impressed with that cartridge.

Best of luck!
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:26 AM
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Why do you tink that a 308 Norma Mag is not adequate for Grizzly bears?

Here is what Phil Shoemaker has to say about the effectiveness of the 30-06 on Alskan Brown bears.. Oh Yea Phil is a Brown Bear Guide and has been doing so for many years..


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The bears today are no larger or tougher than the bears of 50 years ago when the 30-06 was by far the most popular rifle carried by Alaskan guides. Andy Simms and Hosea Sarber and a hundred others found nothing wanting with the 30-06 then, and now, with the bullets we have today, the 30-06 is even better.

Contrary to some opinions, guides who recommend 30 calibers for bears do so to insure that they do not have to shoot their client's bears.

ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THE 30-06 IS INNEFFECTIVE HAS EITHER NOT TRIED ONE - OR IS UNINTENTIALLY COMMENTING ON THEIR MARKSMANSHIP.
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:38 AM
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Reply to 308 Normas ability to effectivly take Grizz

My info comes from Speer reloading manual #14 as to recommended calibers for the great bears. Page 525 states: As you have seen from the other cartridge descriptions in this section, we feel that none of the various 30 calibers are adequate for the great bears. This cartridge with a tough bullet will likely drop a large bear that's not agitated, but we perfer a heavier caliber when the bear is in a bad mood. (Not agitated) is the key here. A grizzly bears adrenal system is quite a bit different from all other critters. When you or I get mad we only stay there for 20 minutes or so. When A grizz gets made he stays that way for hours. He can cover 100 yards in less than 6 seconds with a broke shoulder and his lungs full of blood and his heart exploded. Make no mistake about it pilgrim, he is coming for you and he will kill you if he can. Once he gets his adrenalin up you are in serious trouble if all you are holding is your Johnson.

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Old 03-17-2008, 12:45 PM
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Why Berger?

Why would you try the Berger? Are they paying you? That's the only reason I might chose that bullet. The Swift 200 A-frame, Nosler 200 Accubond or Partition, Speer 180 Trophy bonded bear claw, or Barnes 180 TSX would all be far better choices in my opinion. I'd rather have my 7-08AI shooting one of those bullets than your 308 Norma shooting the Berger.

But what do I know...I've never shot a bear.
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:05 PM
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First of all, good luck! That sounds like a very good time to be had, congrats on getting the draw / tag.

I shoot the Bergers in my 300 RUM, and I have never shot a bear with them... that being said, I don't mind shooting big deer with them, or maybe a hog, since I have very, very good shot placement, but the bullet isn't as heavy jacketed and constructed as say a Trophy Bonded, Swift, or Accubond bullet. You could be in for a wee bit of excitement, and tracking wounded brown bears is not for me...

You should go to Bergers website, they can give you some direction via email, I have seen other posts where forum members have done that and one of the Berger team has contacted them back with answers. I get the impression that Berger is very interested in their customers, so I am sure you would get an answer, straight from the horses mouth to say.

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Old 03-17-2008, 02:06 PM
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I don't see any problems with the 308 Norma for grizz. I've got a friend who killed a grizz last spring, one shot, 140 TSX from his 280AI.
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