Kevin, please read my posts again - the hunting bullets in the first 100 I bought shot very well; then I bought another 200 of the same hunting bullets, and groups went to pot with same load. These were two different lots, and that is the problem. I repeat, lots of the 105 Berger Hunting VLD's are not consistent. This may be due to Berger's conversion to new equipment. Lesson to be learned is: when you purchase a new lot of a bullet, always check your oal and load repeatedly. BTW, I saw no blow up with the 105 Hunting VLD's.
If the question of which has the thicker jacket has not yet been resolved, Here is from the horses mouth. Istarted to just say "no, the target bullet jacket is thicker" but figured it would be better coming from Michelle Gallagher.
Thank you for taking the time to send us your feedback. I will be happy to send you some load data for your 300 Win Mag. If you send me the other bullets you’re looking at, I will send that data also. We are working very hard to publish a reloading manual, but it isn’t finished yet.
The hunting bullet is the same VLD that we’ve always produced and sold. The target bullets have a slightly thicker jacket to help prevent them from failing under the extreme conditions that competitive shooters like to put them through. You can shoot competitions with either the hunting or target bullets, but you can only hunt with the hunting bullet. Please let me know if you have any other questions!
I have a 27" pac nor barrel 8 twist rem 700 trued action 6mm-270wsm. I am loading the 105 berger vld hunting with 60 grains of rl 25. I was at the range yesterday to sight in at 100 yds. I couldn't even get to target without blow up. I want to use for long range mule deer hunting. Should I use the 105 target with thicker jacket. Chronagraph 3450 fps.
This blows up the a-max too.
Would really appreciate any suggestions from long range hunters.
That's what I'd try. But only purchase one box to see if they're tough enough to survive, with accuracy, down to your targets.
I was shooting the 115 gr .257 Berger Hunting VLD up to 3900 fps and most of them were reaching my targets at 100 and 300 yds. About 2 out of 20 inexplicably didn't impact. Pretty sure they got smoked due to launch velocity. Accuracy was even still pretty decent - not counting the ones that didn't hit the target. One difference is you've got an 8-twist barrel and mine is a 10-twist. That probably explains why you're having the greater rate of failed hits on target.
So I went ahead and purchased some of the 115 gr 25 cal Berger Target VLDs but I have not yet fired any. Since most of my Hunting VLD reached my targets, I'm thinking the Target VLD may be just enough to launch at 3750 fps, which is about where I'd like to load them to. Berger literature states the Target VLD are produced with the thicker jackets for this very purpose ->> to survive higher launch velocity.
I am familar with both the hunting and target 7mm 180 VLDs in a 30" 7 Rem Mag barrel. Through some poor advisement I ended up with a 1 in 7 twist 3 groove barrel. At first it shot the hunting version fantastically. While on a coues wt hunt the rifle was used by a friend who got his deer on the opening day. I waited several days later to shoot at my deer. It was a chip shot at 400 yds. Murphy's law raised his ugly head and the bullet went off course wounding the deer. Several shots later with all being misses, I grabbed the rifle I loaned my friend, a 257 Weatherby with 115 hunting VLDs and finished off the poor deer.
I did some testing at the range when I got back and proved it was the bullet having issues. Round count was around 225 through the barrel.
I got some target versions and once again all was well, FOR A WHILE. At round count 300 or so these bullets began to show signs of damage with erratic flight and clean misses at 500 m. I then moly coated the bullets which worked for a very short time.
I now shoot accubonds or monos like the E-tip with no issues. The 140 accubond holds up well to abuse. It is going 3400 fps and the RPMs are an unbelieveable 349,714
Unfortunately my shooting friend, Dan, made a 7 STW with the same twist barrel. He began to damage bullets at round count 180 or so.
I was warned by several here that this would happen and they were right. Lesson learned...go with minimal twist with these VLDs. Using a 6 groove should help too.