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Old 12-01-2012, 05:49 PM
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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

+/- 1 1/4 inch ! Is that something to right home about ?
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:48 PM
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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

Unfortunately all things are not equal, and I'm betting with some of the slower powders coming out the 195 will hit 2800-2900fps with 7RM LA rifles and 7WSM SA rifles, with long barrels that are throated long. I'd like to give RL33 a try, among others. The proof will be in the pudding, so we'll have to wait and see what is attainable in the real world, beyond our postulating and calculating

As far as wind drift advantage goes, it's easy to say that the 195 drifts 7" less than the 180 at 1000 yards in a 10mph wind, and that as long as you can call the wind with only a 20% error, that the two bullets will land within an inch or two of each other. What if the 195 lands on the diaphragm, and the 180 lands 1.5" behind the diaphragm? Better hope for a liver hit! Of course that is worst case scenario, but I'll take any advantage I can get. And what happens when there is a 14mph wind, gusting to 19mph, and the wind direction changes 3 times between you and the target? Your wind estimation error goes up, and the 195 will help mitigate any error more so than will the 180, and the advantage will start to add up as the wind gets more complicated than a simple 10mph constant full value push.
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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

One other advanatge of EOL, sounds like it can take the big mag velocit.. ( from the 277 testing) Where the 168, 180 cant take it.
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Old 12-02-2012, 02:46 PM
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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

Let just hope we can run one out of an Allen mag at 3250 fps. Makes me warm and fuzzy just thinking about it.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:49 PM
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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

A few thoughts from the horse's mouth on the 7mm 195 gr.

The bullet tooling is finished and has been tested with successful results. This means that we can make bullets that match the design dimensions, nothing more. We used prototype jackets since the length of the jacket we needed was not certain.

Now that the length of the jacket needed is known we have it in our schedule to make standard issue, J4 match grade jackets. The fact is that the election has us overwhelmed with demand. This means only that we can't get these jackets made tomorrow but they will be made soon.

Then, they will be sent to Bob and a few other folks (Kirby for one) to be tested and abused. If these tests prove to be positive then the bullets will be regularly available as soon as we make more (once the test results are confirmed). I won't BS you. This could take 2 to 12 month depending on what happens during the testing phase.

I'll remind everyone that this is a totally new concept. It is in fact not as close to the recently tested 270 cal 170 gr bullet as Bob posted about. The 170 gr is outside the norm but not nearly as much as the 195 gr. Having said that, the 270 cal 170 gr has performed well in abuse testing and is now going to terminal performance testing. The good news is that so far everything looks good.

Something to keep in mind about the 7mm 195 gr, we are making it with the idea in mind that it will be pushed hard in larger cases. The heavier weight and sleek design is a big leap forward in performance (if it works). In smaller cases much MV will be lost due to the heavy weight which may produce a wash in performance compared to 180 gr bullets.

I'll admit that this is a generalization based on no factual testing data at this time but I don't want anyone to think that we are creating the next lazer beam. It is still a bullet subject to all the same influences and physics realities as every other bullet.

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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

Thanks for the update Eric. Your honesty is appreciated.

On another note, your sidenote about the election..... will we have to give Obama the salesman of the year award AGAIN?
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Re: Berger to introduce 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting Bullet

Thanks for the update! I'm in no rush but it sure would be nice to see some honest results and recipies!
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