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# Berger Integrity

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08-14-2011, 09:33 AM
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Berger Integrity

Does anybody have info for the maximum velocity that a Berger bullet can be pushed to before coming apart? I know that twist rate has a hand in the outcome also. I am shooting 180 VLD,s at 3334 fps average with a 1 in 9 twist. I am having what appears to be bullet integrity problems at this velocity. I have called and talked to Berger but can not get a definite answer from them. I was just wondering if anyone has had any problems or experinces that they can share.
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08-14-2011, 09:41 AM
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Re: Berger Integrity

I have had no problems with the 180's at 3200 in a 9 twist and have shot 100's. I think Eddybo had some issues with them somewhere over 3400 in an 8 twist. If he doesn't join in here maybe send him a pm.

Jeff
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08-14-2011, 11:09 AM
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Re: Berger Integrity

You can't ask for a limit 'for Berger bullets' because they are not all the same.
But I had defined(as best I could) the RPM limits of Berger VLDs quite awhile back. Berger didn't like it one bit, but it has always held as useful(still for VLDs).

(720*MV/TW)/1000
(720*3334/9)/1000

(0.308-CAL)*238.095+290
(0.308-.284)*238.095+290
KRPM LIMIT = 296 [The point of expected failures]

For the Eddybo mention:
(720*3400/8)/1000
KRPMs = 306 [This exceeds the 296 limit]

So, it's not RPMs(or the energy to produce them) causing your failures.
#4
08-14-2011, 11:57 AM
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Re: Berger Integrity

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mikecr You can't ask for a limit 'for Berger bullets' because they are not all the same. But I had defined(as best I could) the RPM limits of Berger VLDs quite awhile back. Berger didn't like it one bit, but it has always held as useful(still for VLDs). For your situation: (720*MV/TW)/1000 (720*3334/9)/1000 KRPMs = 267 [your rate] (0.308-CAL)*238.095+290 (0.308-.284)*238.095+290 KRPM LIMIT = 296 [The point of expected failures] For the Eddybo mention: (720*3400/8)/1000 KRPMs = 306 [This exceeds the 296 limit] So, it's not RPMs(or the energy to produce them) causing your failures.
Thanks for the info.
I am thinking that the Berger in 7mm 180gr. is coming apart on me due to the fact that on a few shots taken that the only thing hitting the paper target at 200yds. is shrapnel!!! I have 206 rounds down the barrel now and this has happened 3 times.
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08-14-2011, 12:09 PM
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Re: Berger Integrity

If you don't have a borescope, a local gunsmith probably does. I'd have the bore/crown looked at. It's hard to guess at, so that's just where I'd start.
If there is an issue there, you might salvage the situation with a going of Tubb's FinalFinish.
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08-14-2011, 04:23 PM
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Re: Berger Integrity

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mikecr If you don't have a borescope, a local gunsmith probably does. I'd have the bore/crown looked at. It's hard to guess at, so that's just where I'd start. If there is an issue there, you might salvage the situation with a going of Tubb's FinalFinish.
Not sure as to what you are thinking????
This is a new rig with a Brux barrel.
Called 'smith. Was told to try a differnt lot of Bergers.
The ones I was using were in the old yellow box. Thinner jacket?
Might be as simple as this.
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08-14-2011, 05:07 PM
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Re: Berger Integrity

The new 'Match Target' VLDs have thicker jackets than the original VLDs(now called 'hunting' VLDs). This might work around whatever issue there is, at a cost of killing efficiency. But I don't think it's the bullets.

Are you sure it's a 9tw, and not an 8tw?
Have you checked the twist with a cleaning rod?

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