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Berger Bullets - I'm Calling You Out

 
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:43 PM
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Berger Bullets - I'm Calling You Out

OK Eric, so here's the deal:

Beger Bullets makes a great long distance bullet (G1 BC of .6xx or better) for the .264 caliber, the .284 caliber, the .308 caliber, etc.

But how come the best Berger can do for us .277 guys is a 150 gr. bullet with a BC of .531 ???? If you can develop a 180 gr. bullet for the .284, then surely you should be able to do something in the 165 gr. to 170 gr. range with a .6xx G1 BC for us slightly off-plumb guys that shoot a 277 WSM, SAUM, Allen Magnum, etc. The 150 gr. just don't "gitt'er done"!

I know there may not be a lot of us, but surely we have waited our turn patiently while Berger has developed so many other great bullets over the past 5 years. How about it, is there any hope on the horizon for us?
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:04 PM
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I've wore out Bryan on this and I'm sure others as well, the problem is what the standard common twist rate for a 270 anything, 1-10! If someone would have got a 1-9 or 1-8 going early on we would be GTG. If a large 270 would become "in vogue" for BR or some shooting discipline other than knocking down big game then I'm sure it would be financially viable and we would see more. I keep seeing more barrel makers showing a 1-9 or 1-8 twist which will help!!

I think this spring and summer we will so some solutions from some guys, royinidaho is working on a great solution that I'm optimistic will give us some good LR bullets, I really want to see Wildcat bullets crank on some 169.5's, and a new one that Bryan Litz threw out there is Matrix Ballistics, they are just getting some 165's and 175's worked out. We very well could have four or five bullets that I know of with a BC in the mid .600 to mid .700.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:30 PM
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Re: Berger Bullets - I'm Calling You Out

Also a scarcity of good 257 bullets. I shoot the 130 gr Wildcat RBBT and it will do a good job on an elk. They are made with Berger J4 jackets. Of course it took me a year and a half to get a 1-8 twist 257 barrel made.

A 257 Wby really looks good with a long barrel, fast twist, and extra heavy, high BC bullet. The Wildcat 257 bullets were originally designed for the 257 Allen Mag but will work with the 257 STW as well.
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I've wore out Bryan on this and I'm sure others as well, the problem is what the standard common twist rate for a 270 anything, 1-10! If someone would have got a 1-9 or 1-8 going early on we would be GTG. If a large 270 would become "in vogue" for BR or some shooting discipline other than knocking down big game then I'm sure it would be financially viable and we would see more. I keep seeing more barrel makers showing a 1-9 or 1-8 twist which will help!!

I think this spring and summer we will so some solutions from some guys, royinidaho is working on a great solution that I'm optimistic will give us some good LR bullets, I really want to see Wildcat bullets crank on some 169.5's, and a new one that Bryan Litz threw out there is Matrix Ballistics, they are just getting some 165's and 175's worked out. We very well could have four or five bullets that I know of with a BC in the mid .600 to mid .700.
I have just recieved word from Paul @ wildcat he has the 270 issiue worked out and has hired some help and in a couple three months should have some 169.5's ready to go . also the Matrix boys should have the 165 next month and 175 shortly there after Matrix sent me some 165's they look to have a 13 caliber ogive very sleek Ive loaded some up to shoot out of my 270 amp this saturday to see how they fly that is if the 5 degree weather pridiction is not accurate.And if my DWR officer buddy comes through I plan to let him try them on some deer management to see how they do on game but don't know if that will happen or not?
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I recieved a box of Matrix 165's yesterday but I have to be at a wedding this weekend so I can't give them a try yet. Initial out of the box impressions are good, I have three barrels to shoot them out of from 11,10 and 9 twist I really only hope for the 9 twist to stabilize them but I may have to get a 1-8 in the works. It will be interesting to see what they do on game, just looking at it they should react like the Bergers.
It sounds like Paul is maybe making some progress, I try not to pester him to much asking about the 169.5's, they'll come when they come.
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AZ- what twist is your .277 barrel?
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My barrel is one of the early Lilja's with a 3 groove, 1-in-8 twist that tends to eat the 195's after about 400 rounds down the tube. Just too much bearing surface I guess. It was able to stabilize the 195's as long as they held together.
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