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Old 11-28-2011, 09:01 PM
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Berger bullets blowing up?

Hey all,

I shot a bull this weekend and it took three shots to put him down. I had a couple high shots and one especially that went right through the backstraps and should have broken the spine. Problem is it seemed the bullet exploded upon touching the skin and basically fragmented outside the cavity. There was nothing more than a large hole at the entrance of the bullet. It did not go through the backstrap and break the spine. Also, I missed one shot that made hair fly of the elks neck. Once I recoverd my bull I noticed that it seemed as if the elk had a taken a razor to its spine area. The part that was cut off by the bullet was about 6 inches long and 3 inches wide. One of my buddies said that the bullet blew up which is why the spine looked like it was shaved. Please give me any input as I am scared to use the Bergers again for hunting. FYI the shoot was about 700 yards, I was using 210gr berger hunting vlds out of a 300 win mag with about 2850 FPS. I attached the picture and you can see a few of the bullet shots and let me know what you think.

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Dennis
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:12 PM
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Re: Berger bullets blowing up?

Dennis, The fact is, you placed them poorly.

Here is the list of what I have taken with Bergers this past season. From another thread.

"This past season alone I have either been the shooter or have been with people shooting Bergers and here is the list.

Bull Elk 210gr Berger 425 yards never took a step. One shot
Large Bull Elk 210gr Berger 643 yards made it maybe 30 yards, One shot
2 Cow Elk one at 325 and one at 521 yards 210gr Bergers dropped in tracks one shot
Bull elk 511 yards 230gr Berger never left its bed. One shot rolled over dead.
Cow elk 400 yards 230gr Berger dropped in tracks one shot
Cow elk ( my wife shot) 300 gr Berger 816 yards one shot dropped in tracks
Cow elk 825 300gr Berger one shot dropped in tracks
Large Montana Mule deer Buck 893 yards 230 gr Berger Dropped in tracks one shot
Large Montana Mule Deer Buck 767 yards 300gr Berger one shot sprinted 50 yards nose dived Dead.
Spring Black Bear ( Boar) 378 yards 210 gr Berger one shot sprinted 25 yards
4 antelope in WY and one in MT all shot with 210 or 230 gr Bergers no tracking required.

This is just what I can remember from this past season. And again, I was there for every shot, and field dressing. I know what The Bergers do first hand. This is why I choose Bergers for hunting."

Sir, in all due respect. Lets look at a few facts. You are new to LR shooting and hunting. You were pressed for time getting your rifle and drops ready for this hunt. Yet you still opted to take a bull from a very long distance. The fact is, one well placed Berger would have dropped this bull in his tracks. The problem is your level of skill with your new rifle prohibited this. I highly doubt at the slowed velocity at this long distance any bullet would blow up.

I am not trying to be rude, but in my opinion you need to sharpen your skills before you engage another animal at these distances. Then I truely believe your outcome will be different no matter what the brand of bullet.

Jeff
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:23 PM
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Re: Berger bullets blowing up?

Well my question is why did the bullet of the high spine shot not break its back. It doesnt matter wether my skills are sharp enough for a bullet to do its job. I know I am not the best shooter in the world but I am more than confident to take those kind of shots. Also, this elk only went about 50-100 yards. I just know the particular shot placed in the spine did not do the proper damage. My question is why did the bullet placed in the spine not break the back of the elk. It seems like the bullet did not do its job. I have seen many arrows and bullets go right through the skin and meat of many animals and break the spine. Like I said the bullet basically fragmented upon impact and did not penetrate one bit.
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:26 PM
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Re: Berger bullets blowing up?

Misses and grazing the neck don't count.

So, it seems that you put him down in about two shots which was fortunate given shot placement.

I struggled with a similar situation last week on a hog and whitetail using 142 SMKs out of my 6.5x284. Both kills were right in the crease behind the shoulder. Both bullets left a huge entrance hole and did not egress. But, the inerds were jello and both were bang flop. So, I am on the fence. Had they been elk or a big hog through the shoulder, I don't think they would've been effective.

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Old 11-28-2011, 09:27 PM
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Dennis, I am not picking on you. I drew my opinion from this quote from your story about taking this bull. You admitted you made many mistakes, and learned from them. I just don't feel at this point you can blame a bullet for poor placement.

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" He was moving fast so I got a quick range on him, dialed my turret in and then let a shot fly. I took another shot and my spotter (dad) told me to raise my yardage a bit yards because the bull was moving away from us further and further. Well I shot a few more times and the bull was defintely hit and was gushing blood. I shot one more time and the bull droped over dead. As I said there was a crowd with us and they all gave a nice cheer once the bull dropped and hi fives were in order. I learned a few things from this experience. One is that in long range shooting you always need a reliable person working the range finder so all the shooter needs to focus on is shooting the animal. Also, there needs to be one person there just to be a spotter and watch the animal through the binos. This would have made the first few shoots more accurate. I also relaized I did not use my angle compensator feature on my rangefinder which messed up my initial yardages and why I shot atleast 2 feet high on the first few shoots. Also, I was in such a hurry that i only had my scope on 6.5 power and not 20 power. I learned that Ireally need to calm down and takes things slower. I am just happy I didnt have to learn this the hard way." {un quote}

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Old 11-28-2011, 09:35 PM
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I definetly made a lot of mistakes and that was the main reason for the poor shot placement. My mistakes with the rangefinder and my scope power were big mistakes but I still got the job done and will not make those mistakes in the future. You live and you learn. I let the moment get to me.

My question still doesnt have anything to do with shot placement. It has to do with bullet performance. I just wonder why that particular shot in the spine did nothing to the elk. I like berger bullets and want to use them. I just want to use the best possible bullet and am wondering what happened in this situation.
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:38 PM
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Re: Berger bullets blowing up?

The simple fact is, the bullet grenaded on impact.
Dennis, you can find a multitude of similar experiences as well as success stories on this site.
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