Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment > Rifles, Bullets, Barrels and Ballistics


Reply

Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-29-2009, 08:05 AM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: SW Montana
Posts: 482
Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

I hope this is the right forum...

I took a friend of mine out Monday morning and got him a raghorn bull. He shot it with a 7mm SAUM that we have pushing the 168 VLD's at about 3025 fps. He made a nice shot at just over 400 yards behind the left shoulder. The bull hunched over a bit, looked around then trotted off about 200 yards and stopped. He shot again at about 515 yards this time and got him above the shoulder. He stumbled a bit, ran about another 200 yards and was finally down for the count. When we got the horses to him, we were suprised to see he was still alive but not going anywhere so we finished him off with a 45 ACP behind the ear.

Upon dressing him out, the first shot made a very small wound channel until hitting the shoulder blade on the opposite side. There we found a lot of small bullet and bone fragments. The other passed clean though the lungs with a 1/2" exit hole.

This is my first experience with Berger VLD's on an elk. These same loads worked great on the antelope he shot this year but I am kind of disappointed with their performance on this elk. I am sure he would have died eventually from the first shot but I am not sure how far he would have gone. Maybe he would have tipped over when he stopped after being hit the first time.

Is 400 yards too far for the 168 Berger at 3000 fps to get it to expand? The bullet should have been going just over 2500 fps at that range. Is this typical performance for these bullets? I am thinking we should try some 160 Accubonds next year since I've had such good luck with them out of a 270 and 300 WM.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-29-2009, 10:22 AM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Washington State
Posts: 2,454
Re: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

Yikes...I just switched to 210 Bergers from 240 SMK's. Hope I made the right decision...
__________________
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia

www.wildsidesystems.com - Shelter for Your WildSide - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwgo...&feature=g-upl
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-29-2009, 11:25 AM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Posts: 8,047
Re: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

Thanks for posting.

We need lots of data points from actual experiences to learn more as time goes on.

Musta missed ribs altogether???

I have no explanation but thanks for the info.

Is that saum have a left hand twist? Maybe that would explain it.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 2,615
Re: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

It is not an elk bullet! I don't care what the TV shows say. They have slick editing and good marketing trying to sell a product. I have experience and no biases. Yes, there will be a lot of elk taken with them and some saying how great they are. But then many will find out the hard way when they lose there elk. Get an elk bullet to hunt elk. High BC is not the only factor to consider.
__________________
Predictions are difficult, especially when they involve the future
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-29-2009, 01:37 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SW Montana
Posts: 4,384
Re: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

That sucks man, I'm going to ease into using them and have a good load with a Accubond stuck in it just in case.
I've seen 7mm cals do that with several bullets, one of the reasons I don't pack one.
My dad shot some 210 Bergers out of a 300WBY at 200 yds into antifreeze jugs with water and there was no doubt about it opening up, went through the first jug ( 3.5 in) then it blew up through 3-4 jugs, no elk would have walked away from a hit like that.
The Best of the West guys seem to favor shooting through bone, that may have something to do with how they open up behind the shoulder.
All I've managed to shoot with Bergers out of my 270WSM is a couple coyotes and they will not open up at close range, at 500 one opened up but not much but I really wasn't expecting a coyote to open them up.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-29-2009, 01:45 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Washington State
Posts: 2,454
Re: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Long Time Long Ranger View Post
It is not an elk bullet! I don't care what the TV shows say. They have slick editing and good marketing trying to sell a product. I have experience and no biases. Yes, there will be a lot of elk taken with them and some saying how great they are. But then many will find out the hard way when they lose there elk. Get an elk bullet to hunt elk. High BC is not the only factor to consider.


LTLR,

Don't tease us... Tell us your experience with Bergers. We're trying to learn here. What bullet do you use after your recent experience with the 225AM, I'm wondering?

Thanks,

Jon
__________________
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia

www.wildsidesystems.com - Shelter for Your WildSide - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwgo...&feature=g-upl
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-29-2009, 03:37 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Posts: 8,047
Re: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmden View Post
LTLR,

with the 225AM, I'm wondering?
225 AM???? Where'd that come from?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: Berger 168 VLD results on an Elk
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
7mm Rem Mag Berger Results ovastafford Long Range Hunting & Shooting 4 08-31-2010 12:02 AM
Little bit of 300 grain Berger results Tyler Kemp Long Range Hunting & Shooting 45 06-09-2010 11:37 PM
168 gr Berger results **Graphic photos** kiwi3006 Rifles, Bullets, Barrels and Ballistics 13 06-08-2010 01:48 PM
Berger 338 results??? elkstalker300 Long Range Hunting & Shooting 1 05-18-2010 08:54 PM
Berger 130 VLD Mixed Results Bulseyetom Rifles, Bullets, Barrels and Ballistics 8 11-01-2009 09:29 AM

Current Poll
I currently have hunting preference points in the following states

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC