Rich, i may have to try that. Could you post a pic of your setup when you have a chance? I just got some conveyor belt from my grandpa that i am going to use to represent elk hide, and double it up to represent moose hide.
I am going to put the 300 grain OTM through a torture test. A full power load going through 2 layers of conveyor belt, 1.5" of wet newspapers, 2"-3" of hardwood, then the rest with wet newspapers at 50 yards. I am looking for at least 20" of penetration. If it goes 20" i am going to switch from the Barnes to Berger. I know thats a lot to ask from thin jacketed bullet but thats the kind of performance i want.
It MIGHT do that? I don't think it will if you shoot it thru a few inches of water first, but then I'm not familiar with the .338 OTM either....Rich
No water, just wet newspapers. If the smk performs just as well as the OTM then i will go smk.
I'm pretty sure the SMK will out penetrate the OTM but I'm not sure that is a good thing! I could never get the SMK's to open at any reasonably slow velocity. Here is a pic of my bullet box. It is made out of OSB approx 18" wide and 4 feet long. Just wide enough so folded cardboard boxes will fit inside. Sometimes I add phone books, etc. I then soak with water and wait until the boxes are completely saturated. It is good to place a blank paper or something at intervals to check the path of the bullet. They are not always that easy to find when they are shot up a bit. The box in the front is totaled so I need to build a new one but you can kind of get the idea.....rich
Here is an example of one of my 211 grain SXR II's fired at full throttle
out of an 'o6 through 22" of H20 and about 12" of wet carboard. This bullet was designed to hold up under high velocity but expand down to 1300'....Rich
This test is in case the elk is scuba diving in a deep wallow.
That's correct Actually, flesh is 80 some % water so I think it's a little better media than you think. Bill Stigers (Bitterroot Bullets) told me that water was the best test and after trying pretty much everything else, I have to agree with him. It has to be better than dirt and rocks that you tested mine in a few years back when you said they looked just like the Bergers!!!!
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It has to be better than dirt and rocks that you tested mine in a few years back when you said they looked just like the Bergers!!!!
Hmm, don't remember ever testing your bullets for expanion. I do remember shooting a few to test drops,(BC) and accuracy and they did do well. They shot in the same place as the Berger 210 HVLD load I had if I remember correctly, or at least pretty close at 1000 yards. My new custom 300 was not done at the time and I used a stock sendero. Maybe I did dig them out of the ground but you know that is not how I test for expansion or performance. I have posted pics of a media box I tested the 300 OTM's in and a ton of entrance and exits hole pics on game from the 210 VLD, 230 and 300 OTM's. I like using antelope as they are in the open so you can keep an eye on them, plus they are soft and easy to kill. I liked your bullets and still have about 1/2 of the 10 or so I was asked to test. The only thing I could say negative about them is the problem you were having with the rebated boat tail at the time. They are larger at the top of the boat tail than on the rest of the bearing surface so they expand the neck durring seating. This made for loose neck tension with my sizing methods, and care was needed to keep a consitsant seating depth while testing.
I think we can see with tumbleweeds cut bullets that the large pockets in the tip of the 215 could very well be why your testing lost tips. That open pocket is not going to hold up if you blast it full of water. 80% is a lot of water but 20% solids is not to be ignored either. Like I said before in my thread on the 210 / 215, I will see for myself what the 215 does on game starting with antelope if they show me good accuracy. Then on to larger game this season. If they look to be less leathal than the 210 HVLD that I have had truck loads of 1 shot long range kills with, I have no problem at all continuing to use the 210 as my 30 cal long range bullet.