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Ballsitic Tip and V-max past 500 yards dont work (WRONG)

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Unread 04-22-2007, 03:36 PM
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Re: Ballsitic Tip and V-max past 500 yards dont work (WRONG)


Don't take this the wrong way, but.

Richard builds some beautiful rifles, and he is an excellent craftsman.

But his video is very creative, and I don't mean that in a flattering way.

The extra length and a 15" twist will give you something extra in velocity, but as I recall he claims 3900 for the 125 BT and 4100 for the 110 V-Max. No way, fuzzy Jose'. It just ain't gonna happen.

I think he pulls the trigger VERY hard to get those velocities. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

The DVD is a sales tool for him, and it is nice - I loved it this winter when we had 3 feet of snow on the ground, and spring was 3 months away.

But while I was watching it... I noticed that he was missing a LOT of shots at 500 to 700yds, and for that rifle he was using, the humongo shooting platform on wheels, and the rangefinders, etc... that was pee-pee poor shooting.

It doesn't take a $4500 rifle to whack woodies at 400 to 500 yds.

If you run the DVD forwards on slow single frame, you will see that a lot of those woodies were already dead when they take off to the moon.

Here's something to think about.

I have shot woodchucks in Pennsylvania in the summer, across looong fields at noon. You CAN'T take video of a shot on a woodchuck at 400-600 yds without tons of boiling mirage.

You wanna video a shot at that distance, you will see a pot of boiling water, and have a hard time seeing the critter.

But in Richard's video, there is no mirage.

Where did it go??

It's cuz he was 80 or 100 yds away.

Also... when you shoot a bigassed cannon like a 300 Mag, and video the shot out to 400 to 600 yds, you see the "trace" of the bullet. It looks like ripples in a smooth lake.

Where's the trace in Richard's video??

There ain't none!

You will notice that most of the shots are of a woodie for a 1/10th of a second, and it flies through the air. These shots are all of the woodchuck lying down, some in "odd", unnatural positions. Very Few of the shots show the chuck moving for a few seconds before getting splatted.

It's because Richard shoots dead woodchucks at close range.

I remember one scene that is listed at 1950-ish yards. You can make out the individual leaves on the trees.

A full sunny day in August, and not a tiny bit of mirage over a path of more than a mile??? Sorry, but that just ain't happening.

On a sunny August day in Pennsylvania, through a scope at a mile, you can NOT tell a small Honda from a big pick-up truck.

Richard's video is what is called in the wildlife business, a "Hump-up".

Enjoy the pretty pictures, but don't believe it for a New York minute.


If you get a decent (or even not so decent) ballistic program, and run the 6mm Ackley, the 243 Ackley, the 6mm Gibbs, the 6mmx284, and other hot 6mms, with the 75 or 87 V-Maxs... or the 264 WM, and the 6.5mm Gibbs with the 95 V-max.

Run them against the 300WSM with the 125 BT or the 110 V-Max... you will see that they shoot FLATTER, are LESS affected by the wind, and hit HARDER at the critter end of the process, than Richard's "wonder guns" (which makes you "wonder" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ).

Here, kitty kitty kitty.

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Unread 04-22-2007, 03:44 PM
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Re: Ballsitic Tip and V-max past 500 yards dont work (WRONG)

Thanks for the info, I will take a look and see if I can see what your seeing in the video. Regarding the velocity issue, he says he gets 4000+fps with the 125grn BT, however, I will put the video in and take a listen.

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Re: Ballsitic Tip and V-max past 500 yards dont work (WRONG)

In case you're interested and just FYI
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Unread 04-22-2007, 04:45 PM
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Thanks for the info, interesting stuff. Maybe, I will go with something different. Maybe, a 6x284 with the 105's and 107's may be the better route for what I am trying to do. Thanks for all the advice, I just thought this would be a great project for 1000 yards. After seeing the data and hearing from everyone, I guess I was wrong.

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Unread 04-22-2007, 05:44 PM
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WC...I just put in a full day shooting w/ five specialty handgun shooters. We were spatting milk jugs from 300 to 500yds. Granted...not 1K and they were milk jugs not squirrels, but you said most of your shooting is 450-550yds and we were shooting handguns!! We were easily mowing down jugs at 400yds with 7mm-08's shooting 120gr VM's (MV 2600) and 140gr CT's (MV 2450). I was shooting a .222 Rem Mag Imp w/ 50gr VM's (MV 3100)and making 80% hits. Then I switched to the .250 Savage Imp w/ 100gr SMK's (MV 2680fps) and my hits jumped to 90%. One fella was shooting a .260 Rem w/ 120gr BT's (MV 2650) and went 100% hits! At 500yds the .250 Sav Imp dropped to about 70%, the .260 to about the 50%. I grabbed my APS XP-100 7mm-270WSM w. 162gr A-Max's (MV 2825) and started slamming jugs w/ no problem.

This was all through an 80 degree day and boiling mirage...the jugs were DANCING!! My point...connecting with a handgun at the ranges you are talking about to pretty easy. You are going WAY overkill.

I think you would make a WISE decision by going 6-284, 243AI, etc and shooting the high BC 6mm pills.
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Unread 04-22-2007, 06:04 PM
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Dan, I agree and I am going to go with a 6x284. I just really thought the 300-WSM with a 125grn BT would be a great combo. Anyhow, I am glad everyone gave me advise and steered me in the right direction, I will be happier going this route.

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Unread 04-22-2007, 08:36 PM
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Re: Ballsitic Tip and V-max past 500 yards dont work (WRONG)

My 6-284 will blow up the 105 gr A-Max when I get close to 3300 FPS with an ABS/Rock 1-8.2 twist. There was a thread on this a few of weeks ago and Kirby had some good info. with regards to the 6-284. 107 SMK shoot great and prarie dogs haven't seemed to notice the difference between the few A-Max I've gotten down the tube and the SMK. I am in the process of getting a load for the 95 gr. BT as I was hoping for a bullet that performed better on game than the 107 SMK and the A-Max was going to be it hopefully but now looks like the Nosler will be tested. If I had to do it over I would look at a little milder 6mm. Good bullets and barrel life make the 243 AI on down very appealing and there shouldn't be any bullet explosions. One of my guides shoots a 243 AI on an old Springfield and it is a very accurate and pleasant rifle to shoot.
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