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Old 11-28-2008, 01:11 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

Lightvarmit, thanks for the update. As far as Im concerned you need not post pics of an animal that is obviously deceased, nor am I concerned about your social skills; however I am interested in your line of 338 and 375 projos. I intend to try some soon. Frankly as far as Im concerned I will take a guy like you who speaks his mind over a smiling jack salesman anyday. Now for the disclaimer, I dont have a dog in this hunt and dont know the boys working on these bullets from Adam.
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:48 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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I just loaded some of the HAT 180's for my 300 Weatherby, I will be going to the range on Thursday. I plan on a full run down of the bullets after I get back form the range, pics, thoughts, etc. If I can get them to shoot I will do a lot of terminal ballistic testing also....

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You'd better be careful MS. If you don't get results that please these guys, you know what's coming! But I would be interested in any info you can share but we might have to do it by private message so as to not put a ripple in the pond.

Augustus,
I really don't have a dog in this fight either. The bullets I tested (in my test that has strangely worked for every other bullet but mysteriously can't work for HAT's) aren't even the ones being produced anymore and the ones that are being produced are being represented here so badly that I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. As far as I'm concerned, until SOMEONE can prove otherwise, they aren't a choice. If by some miracle, LV does ever produce any believable results and his new bullets work, I'll be the first to congratulate him. But it ain't happened yet.......
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Old 11-28-2008, 08:02 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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You'd better be careful MS. If you don't get results that please these guys, you know what's coming! But I would be interested in any info you can share but we might have to do it by private message so as to not put a ripple in the pond.

Augustus,
I really don't have a dog in this fight either. The bullets I tested (in my test that has strangely worked for every other bullet but mysteriously can't work for HAT's) aren't even the ones being produced anymore and the ones that are being produced are being represented here so badly that I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. As far as I'm concerned, until SOMEONE can prove otherwise, they aren't a choice. If by some miracle, LV does ever produce any believable results and his new bullets work, I'll be the first to congratulate him. But it ain't happened yet.......

No, please do post them publicly, I think a lot of people are interested in these bullets if they would actually work. And if they don't then it will be entertaining to watch LV's head explode some more
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Old 11-28-2008, 08:14 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

Geez, I was getting interested until the rambling "I don't want to answer you" reply to a very simple question. Darn.

You dismiss all the tests of others, then we are supposed to believe your OWN feedback on your OWN bullets based on the results of what, 2 shot deer? Riiiiight. I don't develop my opinion on much of anything based on 2 sample points.
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:19 AM
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Geez, I was getting interested until the rambling "I don't want to answer you" reply to a very simple question. Darn.

You dismiss all the tests of others, then we are supposed to believe your OWN feedback on your OWN bullets based on the results of what, 2 shot deer? Riiiiight. I don't develop my opinion on much of anything based on 2 sample points.
ATH,

Remember, the tests that were done previously in non-living material, were done with the .338 265s and/or 280s. The bullets I have reported on are the .308 180s for use in factory guns with 10" twist barrels and these are not the same as what others are referring to (338 265s and/or 280s). To be truly objective and unbiased, why not wait to cast judegement and dispersions until we actually have conflicting test results of that with the sand, phone book, and wood tests. I think that it is premature, incorrect, unproffessional and basically juvenile to question my results on the 180 .30 caliber bullets when no one else has tested them at all in live animals or even in any material. Until we start collecting live animals with the 265s in the next few weeks we actually do not have any conflicting test results with the sand, wood and phone books. Jumping the gun actually reveals that some of the dissenters are more interested in saving their bruised egos than being objective, realistic and honest.

These are not my bullets and I am not the salesman, I am only the tester. I have zero investment other than barrel life, time, primers, powder, cases and fuel. Nor, am I recieving any compensation. As a matter of fact, I have never even met the bullet maker personally but we have logged hundreds of hours on the phone. Nor have I met the Hornadays, Sierras, Speers, Noslers, Barnes, Swifts etc, ect. But, I have tested their products for myself. This product will sell itself to those who are truly interested and according to Mr Henson, competent enough to use them by following the supplied instructions/recommendations.

When the opportunities are presented for testing on live game I do it. If we were trying to mislead anyone, it sure would not be by shooting one or two animals per month. Remember, we are not throwing out multiple event results on the same day or even the same week or month or even from the same state. However, I will continue to post the live game results for those who are interested as they occur. I will never post photos of wound channels or exit wounds for the exact same reason that the larger bullet companies will not do it. They do not want to fuel the anti-hunting fraternity and neither does Mr Henson and so we have decided not to even take photos and allow those who desire photos to request some bullets and shoot them into media to satisfy their questions. Furthermore, supplying photos would lead to accusations by some that they were doctored or not even shot with the bullets in question. So, since there will never be any proof in a photo of the actual bullet leaving the muzzle, entering the animal, exiting the animal or leaving the wound channel and associated exit wound(s), photos actually would not legitimately resolve everyones questions or serve to further Mr Hensons interest. Or even better, if one does do not have faith in the posted reports, why would one have faith in pictures that could have been altered or even from other projectiles. We are not being evasive, we just will not post bloody photos to fuel the potential demise of the sport of hunting.

BTW, I own the test equipment and and test facilities and both are located about 26 miles from the east coast and the bullet making equipment, tooling and all associated consumable products is located north of Atlanta Georgia in the Cartersville area. RG Henson and James McCallum are not the same person and Mr Dave Viers of Black Diamond Rifles as well as Mr Kirby Allen of Allen Precicision shooting can attest to that since they both have been shipped bullet orders or samples. Finally, I am sure if you so choose, that you can contact the ATF liscensing department and asertain who is listed on the manufacturers license as the owner of the bullet company....... And it ain't me!

Happy Thanksgiving,

Lightvarmint
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:49 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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No, please do post them publicly, I think a lot of people are interested in these bullets if they would actually work....
No dog in this fight either... Yup, a lot of people are interested. Please do post the results publicly.

Also, here in MT we can shoot up to 3 Antelope and 2 or more deer a year. IMO Antelope make excellent test critters for long range shooting, because they die very easily and are shot in areas where they easily be recovered.

If some folks can get these bullets (308/180) to shoot straight and group well, I would also be willing to try them on game out of my Sako 300 WSM (11 twist) at various ranges.
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:04 PM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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ATH,

Remember, the tests that were done previously in non-living material, were done with the .338 265s and/or 280s. The bullets I have reported on are the .308 180s for use in factory guns with 10" twist barrels and these are not the same as what others are referring to (338 265s and/or 280s). To be truly objective and unbiased, why not wait to cast judegement and dispersions until we actually have conflicting test results of that with the sand, phone book, and wood tests. I think that it is premature, incorrect, unproffessional and basically juvenile to question my results on the 180 .30 caliber bullets when no one else has tested them at all in live animals or even in any material. Until we start collecting live animals with the 265s in the next few weeks we actually do not have any conflicting test results with the sand, wood and phone books. Jumping the gun actually reveals that some of the dissenters are more interested in saving their bruised egos than being objective, realistic and honest.

These are not my bullets and I am not the salesman, I am only the tester. I have zero investment other than barrel life, time, primers, powder, cases and fuel. Nor, am I recieving any compensation. As a matter of fact, I have never even met the bullet maker personally but we have logged hundreds of hours on the phone. Nor have I met the Hornadays, Sierras, Speers, Noslers, Barnes, Swifts etc, ect. But, I have tested their products for myself. This product will sell itself to those who are truly interested and according to Mr Henson, competent enough to use them by following the supplied instructions/recommendations.

When the opportunities are presented for testing on live game I do it. If we were trying to mislead anyone, it sure would not be by shooting one or two animals per month. Remember, we are not throwing out multiple event results on the same day or even the same week or month or even from the same state. However, I will continue to post the live game results for those who are interested as they occur. I will never post photos of wound channels or exit wounds for the exact same reason that the larger bullet companies will not do it. They do not want to fuel the anti-hunting fraternity and neither does Mr Henson and so we have decided not to even take photos and allow those who desire photos to request some bullets and shoot them into media to satisfy their questions. Furthermore, supplying photos would lead to accusations by some that they were doctored or not even shot with the bullets in question. So, since there will never be any proof in a photo of the actual bullet leaving the muzzle, entering the animal, exiting the animal or leaving the wound channel and associated exit wound(s), photos actually would not legitimately resolve everyones questions or serve to further Mr Hensons interest. Or even better, if one does do not have faith in the posted reports, why would one have faith in pictures that could have been altered or even from other projectiles. We are not being evasive, we just will not post bloody photos to fuel the potential demise of the sport of hunting.

BTW, I own the test equipment and and test facilities and both are located about 26 miles from the east coast and the bullet making equipment, tooling and all associated consumable products is located north of Atlanta Georgia in the Cartersville area. RG Henson and James McCallum are not the same person and Mr Dave Viers of Black Diamond Rifles as well as Mr Kirby Allen of Allen Precicision shooting can attest to that since they both have been shipped bullet orders or samples. Finally, I am sure if you so choose, that you can contact the ATF liscensing department and asertain who is listed on the manufacturers license as the owner of the bullet company....... And it ain't me!

Happy Thanksgiving,

Lightvarmint
You are so full of crap!!! you are only the tester? you are the one that offered me a refund on my purchase, not Mr Henson, after he personally told me the bullets would be perfect for my build. How about some customer representation from him, some interaction by him. He only has one tester? Between your post's on snipershide under a different screen name and here, nothing you say will generate faith here. As long as you try to spread BS I will be one to reply and contradict it. Count on it, EVERY time! happy testing to the king of BS'ers
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