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Old 11-26-2008, 11:06 AM
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Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

Hello interested shooters,

We tested the HAT .30 caliber 180s again at closer range (160 yards) with the factory 300 win mag sendero with the 10" twist 24" barrel on a Missouri farm doe last week. Specifically, a bang-flop onto the back and a little twitch of the back legs. We donated the deer to a needy family so we got a successful close range test and helped out some folks who were in need.

The wound channel and exit were just like you get from the accubond........ Only much better flight characteristics! So, it expands on the Missouri deer just like the SC deer both at longer ranges and up close.

We will be pressure testing/developing some loads this weekend with the .338 265gr models on the 338 Lapua Improved case and then hopefully cull a few does or a mature buck (who are mowing down the food plots) before the end of the seasons in SC and Mississippi. Again, we will donate the meat to families in need.

If you have questions about the test results, email me at lightvarmint@aol.com as I am not able to get to the website very much this time of the year.

Contact the Bulletsmith (RG Henson) at Bullett33@hotmail.com for bullet questions and/or orders.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Lightvarmint
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:09 PM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

Do you have any photos of the wound channel etc?
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Old 11-27-2008, 11:01 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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Do you have any photos of the wound channel etc?
Petenz,

Thanks for your interest. However, wound channel photos are very subjective and vary enormously depending on the impact velocity, bullet rpm, size of the animal, location of the hit, the angle that the bullet takes through the animal, whether it is only soft tissue, bone or both bone and soft tissue as well as the type of body armor that the animal is wearing and I am sure there are others that are important to other folks........ We just cannot anticipate and test for all the different scenarios or different types of material that are important to every shooter.

For instance some folk found it important to find the expansion characteristics of the bullet in sand and I know of no animal that has "sandy" media in the chest cavity or in the soft tissue. However, maybe they were mason deer carrying sand bags to mix mortor or concrete.

Other "experts" thought that the animals would be carring phone books taped together out in the woods or on the praries to locate numbers for their cell phones and the penetration through the dry phone books were important to them.

Then we had the carpenter deer that were toting lumber around to build structures and the bullet penetration through the lumber were important to those testers.

Like me, most shooters don't shoot the rare species of deer such as the sandbox deer, phone book deer or even the ultra rare carpenter deer. Honestly, I only shoot them when they are not wearing body armor or carrying other material on them that could cause poor performance and that is why we test on the live aniimals with blood pressure present only. We do not try to correlate non-living matierial to living material. We were going to test in the gelatin blocks but since I had to cull some does on the club and on a farm, we decided that it was much more of a VALID test to use these animals. All were bang-flops with the deer only reacting as I previously described above.

Finally, no two bullet strikes will be the same unless it is in the same type of expansion media at the same distance (like one of the gel blocks or tubes). Additionally, you can't please all folks during test sessions or even some folks as you will find those that are interested in the shoulder areas while some are interested in the expansion of the soft tissue. You will even find those that will go beyond the outer limits of reality and are only interested in casting dispersions and announcing that the bullets are not working for their intended purpose. You cannot cannot please these types of zealots and Mr Henson is really only interested in selling the bullets to legitimate shooters that will give them a fair and honest shake under realistic conditions.

So, if you have a gel block and are interested I will send you a few to test in the expansion media if you will test them at full velocity for the grain weight of the bullet.

In short, the bullets work on game animals and on competition targets (specifically, they do not work on lumber, sand or phone books) and if you buy them and you don't like them, you can return them for a refund. I don't think ANY other bullet company in existence will make that offer. So, in short, you really have nothing to lose since you can return them if they do not work for you. Sort of like the Cabelas customer satisfaction guarantee.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Lightvarmint

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Old 11-27-2008, 01:30 PM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

But do you have any photos?
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Old 11-27-2008, 02:29 PM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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Petenz,

Thanks for your interest. However, wound channel photos are very subjective and vary enormously depending on the impact velocity, bullet rpm, size of the animal, location of the hit, the angle that the bullet takes through the animal, whether it is only soft tissue, bone or both bone and soft tissue as well as the type of body armor that the animal is wearing and I am sure there are others that are important to other folks........ We just cannot anticipate and test for all the different scenarios or different types of material that are important to every shooter.

For instance some folk found it important to find the expansion characteristics of the bullet in sand and I know of no animal that has "sandy" media in the chest cavity or in the soft tissue. However, maybe they were mason deer carrying sand bags to mix mortor or concrete.

Other "experts" thought that the animals would be carring phone books taped together out in the woods or on the praries to locate numbers for their cell phones and the penetration through the dry phone books were important to them.

Then we had the carpenter deer that were toting lumber around to build structures and the bullet penetration through the lumber were important to those testers.

Like me, most shooters don't shoot the rare species of deer such as the sandbox deer, phone book deer or even the ultra rare carpenter deer. Honestly, I only shoot them when they are not wearing body armor or carrying other material on them that could cause poor performance and that is why we test on the live aniimals with blood pressure present only. We do not try to correlate non-living matierial to living material. We were going to test in the gelatin blocks but since I had to cull some does on the club and on a farm, we decided that it was much more of a VALID test to use these animals. All were bang-flops with the deer only reacting as I previously described above.

Finally, no two bullet strikes will be the same unless it is in the same type of expansion media at the same distance (like one of the gel blocks or tubes). Additionally, you can't please all folks during test sessions or even some folks as you will find those that are interested in the shoulder areas while some are interested in the expansion of the soft tissue. You will even find those that will go beyond the outer limits of reality and are only interested in casting dispersions and announcing that the bullets are not working for their intended purpose. You cannot cannot please these types of zealots and Mr Henson is really only interested in selling the bullets to legitimate shooters that will give them a fair and honest shake under realistic conditions.

So, if you have a gel block and are interested I will send you a few to test in the expansion media if you will test them at full velocity for the grain weight of the bullet.

In short, the bullets work on game animals and on competition targets (specifically, they do not work on lumber, sand or phone books) and if you buy them and you don't like them, you can return them for a refund. I don't think ANY other bullet company in existence will make that offer. So, in short, you really have nothing to lose since you can return them if they do not work for you. Sort of like the Cabelas customer satisfaction guarantee.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Lightvarmint
seeing as how I am on the ignore list, this should not get a reply, but here goes.
All the testing that I saw done here were against proven bullets by proven over time bullet makers, pictures came with the tests good and bad. Tests by consumers not salesmen touting thier product. You came back here again throwing more stones and blowing smoke, but takers will be few as you have already proven yourself here. All that was asked above was a picture, where did you go with that question? keep up the good salesmanship!
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Old 11-27-2008, 11:23 PM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

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Petenz,

Thanks for your interest. However, wound channel photos are very subjective and vary enormously depending on the impact velocity, bullet rpm, size of the animal, location of the hit, the angle that the bullet takes through the animal, whether it is only soft tissue, bone or both bone and soft tissue as well as the type of body armor that the animal is wearing and I am sure there are others that are important to other folks........ We just cannot anticipate and test for all the different scenarios or different types of material that are important to every shooter.

For instance some folk found it important to find the expansion characteristics of the bullet in sand and I know of no animal that has "sandy" media in the chest cavity or in the soft tissue. However, maybe they were mason deer carrying sand bags to mix mortor or concrete.

Other "experts" thought that the animals would be carring phone books taped together out in the woods or on the praries to locate numbers for their cell phones and the penetration through the dry phone books were important to them.

Then we had the carpenter deer that were toting lumber around to build structures and the bullet penetration through the lumber were important to those testers.

Like me, most shooters don't shoot the rare species of deer such as the sandbox deer, phone book deer or even the ultra rare carpenter deer. Honestly, I only shoot them when they are not wearing body armor or carrying other material on them that could cause poor performance and that is why we test on the live aniimals with blood pressure present only. We do not try to correlate non-living matierial to living material. We were going to test in the gelatin blocks but since I had to cull some does on the club and on a farm, we decided that it was much more of a VALID test to use these animals. All were bang-flops with the deer only reacting as I previously described above.

Finally, no two bullet strikes will be the same unless it is in the same type of expansion media at the same distance (like one of the gel blocks or tubes). Additionally, you can't please all folks during test sessions or even some folks as you will find those that are interested in the shoulder areas while some are interested in the expansion of the soft tissue. You will even find those that will go beyond the outer limits of reality and are only interested in casting dispersions and announcing that the bullets are not working for their intended purpose. You cannot cannot please these types of zealots and Mr Henson is really only interested in selling the bullets to legitimate shooters that will give them a fair and honest shake under realistic conditions.

So, if you have a gel block and are interested I will send you a few to test in the expansion media if you will test them at full velocity for the grain weight of the bullet.

In short, the bullets work on game animals and on competition targets (specifically, they do not work on lumber, sand or phone books) and if you buy them and you don't like them, you can return them for a refund. I don't think ANY other bullet company in existence will make that offer. So, in short, you really have nothing to lose since you can return them if they do not work for you. Sort of like the Cabelas customer satisfaction guarantee.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Lightvarmint


Petenz,

I think that whole big blah blah blah session means "nope". Honestly, have you ever heard more self justification in your life? This guy's starting to sound like Hillary more and more. "We can't produce any provable, plausible evidence so we'll just bend the facts and hide them to prove our own meaningless point and hope that the educated people don't notice".

LV, you really need to stop for your own good, or at least for the good of the mysterious Mr Henson! Seriously, just give us the results in real evidence and let people draw their own conclusions. Your censuring of what is told but not shown speaks volumes in the negative for your products! It's so simple. What's the problem?
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Old 11-28-2008, 12:50 AM
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Re: Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

I just loaded some of the HAT 180's for my 300 Weatherby, I will be going to the range on Thursday. I plan on a full run down of the bullets after I get back form the range, pics, thoughts, etc. If I can get them to shoot I will do a lot of terminal ballistic testing also....

Lightvarmit: I really don't know what to think about you. You seem to know a lot about ballistics and have a passion for these bullets, but if I ever come up with a product I want to sell you would be the last guy I would want in charge of marketing.
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