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Old 07-02-2013, 04:13 PM
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advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

i'm only looking for good advice/suggestions or a remedy. i am not here to bash remington, 1/2 of all the rifles i own are remington, and i could not be happier with the performance/value every single one of them.

background: bought a new/unfired remington 700 tactical long range in a 300 win mag a year ago. paired it w/a nightforce 5.5-22/tps rings/talley pic. rail. the 1st ever shot(factory ammo) resulted in a case stuck in the chamber. the bolt handle lifted w/just a little more than normal effort, but i could not bring it back to extract the case. remington had it repaired(burs in the chamber which prevented shell extraction). i can't seem to get a group better than 1 1/2" at 100yds, most groups are 2 1/4-3". i've tried hornady custom 165btsp, 180btsp, 180sst superformance; remington 180 core lokt, 180 accutip; winchester 180 psp. i have two other 300 win mags(senderos) that shoot most of the hornady and winchester stuff well below moa at 100, sometimes grouping 180sst's at .75" at 200yds.

what do i do with this rifle? i called remington today and the guy i talked to said if it groups 1 1/2 to 2 1/2" at 100 yds they wont touch it because they have no accuracy guarantee. i know i'm going to spend some money, i just don't know how/where. after talking w/the remington guy, he said i could send it back and they will check the crown, and maybe lap the barrel.

so, my starting options are...
1) send back to remington to have checked
2) send to krieger to have it re-barreled
3) send to hill country rifles to have their accurizing package(re-crown, glass bed, inspect barrel, tune trigger) HCR has a sub-moa guarantee w/factory ammo

please give me some experienced ideas, and if you know of a great gunsmith, let me know. i have already taken the scope off, checked everything for alignment/tightness/etc and re-mounted the scope with the same results. i have not tried a new scope..... the scope was purchased at the same time, brand new. i don't want to sell it just yet..
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:09 PM
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Re: advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

When all else fails, Gunbroker.

This may not be what you wanted to hear but sometimes you have to cut your losses. As long as you have tried everything from custom reloading, multiple bullets and powders, to loosing your mind. Cut your loss and start over or custom.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:50 PM
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Re: advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

Number 1 would be my first step especially since you have other rifles. Number two is the fail safe way . no experience with number 3.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:52 PM
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Re: advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

Send it back to Remington. If it doesn't exceed your expectations upon return, move onto other options and remember.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:56 PM
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Re: advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

So besides shooting different ammo, what have you checked ?
Did you check the trigger pull weight ? Did you check the barrel for free floating and the action for proper bedding ? Did you take the rifle somewhere and borescope the barrel and chamber ?

You could have a cast made of the chamber and throat, it can be very revealing. See here for examples of what one can find Bellm TCs - More Chamber Misalignment
The examples are of factory TC barrels, but the truth is that similar sins are committed by all gun makers including Savage and Remington. Its just a numbers game after all, and "minute of pipe plate" is good enough for a great many buyers.

Unfortunately, when it comes to re-barreling a Remington, it gets expensive since one often cannot reap the benefit of a match barrel without addressing other inaccuracies of the mass produced receivers and bolts.

Lead times at barrel makers is very long, especially now. 16-20 weeks is the current norm and add any receiver work on top of that figure.

I suggest to check the easy items in the first part of the list. if nothing there gets you where you want to be, sell and buy a custom action like a Stiller or a Shilen (often you can get a unit from stock with no waiting list) then add a prefit match barrel (since the custom receiver needs no "trueing" and the barrel tennon can be a standard size. Then add whatever trigger and stock you want since it will fit anything that is Remington compatible.

Or if you can stand it, buy a Savage, screw on a $350 prefit, adjust the trigger and go shooting....

As you can imagine I have mainly Savage rifles and just got rid of my last Remington, but I certainly do covet a nice stiller action with a Shilen or Timney trigger which I can never have with my Savages.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:31 AM
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Re: advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

the rem gunsmith at LSG, who removed the chamber burs, said the barrel looked pretty good. the trigger is nice, to me anyway... it's at 2.25 lbs. i have NOT handloaded for this, yet. i guess i've been lucky that all my weatherbys and remingtons have responded well to at least one certain factory load, and handloading has only made them blossom.

in no hurry, so i guess i can send it back to remington, i'll only be out of shipping/ammo at this point. when it returns, regarless of what they do/don't do, i'm going to mount another one of my scopes on it, try it again.

is it normal to 'cut your losses and sell it'? i've always been apprehensive of buying used rifles.

ok, i'll send it back to remmy and go from there.. thanks to all
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:58 AM
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Re: advice for an ill-shooting remington xcr tactical l/r

After you have checked all the action screws, etc,

1. Let someone else try and see if its the gun or you.

2. Try some high end match ammo.

3. Cut and recrown barrel.

4. Move on.

These are the easy, cheap fixes. After that, your spending serious money and everyone gets a lemon occasionally.

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