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Old 09-25-2006, 08:43 AM
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Accubonds at 3700 fps

Worked up a load for my stw with the 110 grain accubonds, I am getting 3700 fps with the bullet with sub moa groups at 100 yards. The only thing that I am wondering is how will this bullet hold up? I am using ramshot magnum and fed 210 primers, wondering if this will be a ballistic tip type bullet at this speed. thanks oldfamily
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:56 PM
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Re: Accubonds at 3700 fps

Depends on what you poke with them and where you hit them. If your shooting smaller southern deer you should not have a problem at all.

If you are hunting larger mid west or northern deer, stay away from the shoulder knuckle just to be on the safe side, other then that they should still perform very well. On chest shots they should be devastating at this velocity.

I used to use the 100 gr Bonded Core Wildcat FBHP bullet in my old 257 STW(pre Allen Mag era!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) and loaded them up to 3950 fps in the 30" barrel. Took several head of game with them. For pronghorns I think you would be hard pressed to find a more lethal combo out to 600 yards or so.

On larger deer, they worked very well but penetration was not through and through. That is why I moved up to the 130 gr version.

Your 110 gr Accubonds have a MUCH heavier jacket then those bullets as well as a heavy solid base. Your bullet may turn into a mangles mess of copper and lead but it will stay together enough to get the job done on deer size critters.

If your hunting heavy deer though, I would again recommend that you do not intentionally aim for the shoulder knuckle just in case.

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Old 09-26-2006, 04:36 PM
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Re: Accubonds at 3700 fps

I just loaded a friends 300 wby with 200 ab's at 2950 fps. He got a nice elk broadside through the heart lung area at 320 yds. But I was surprised the bullet didn't do a pass through. Accubonds are starting to scare me. I wouldn't count on them holding up on any hit over 3200 fps. I'd say you might have "mixed" reactions from 2900 to 3200 fps impact. And, under 2800 fps impact I think they'll be ok.
I wish I was having the accuracy luck that so many report with the tsx's......I'd go with them hands down even though their bc's are grossly exagerated. But for me I will continue to work with accubonds ......but will not have them exiting any of my guns over 3200 fps.
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:54 PM
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Re: Accubonds at 3700 fps

Kraky,

Did the bull die quickly?

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Old 09-27-2006, 07:12 AM
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Re: Accubonds at 3700 fps

Yup, it did....and that is always the "age old" argument. I started a thread over at Accurate Rel a couple weeks back because I had heard of some Accubond failures. I got back about 4 pages of posts. There were some real lovers of the accubond and then there were some (actually alot) of posts of failures. I was surprised. But then again they shoot so good that there seem to be a ton of people shooting them and that is perhaps why there are some negative stories out there. Eventually there are stories of bullet failure with every brand.
I know alot of guys here at long range seem to be using the accubond because of it's high (and real bc). It seems to be opening up and performing at some pretty slow velocity.
Maybe I need to get with it but it's almost like having a free lunch. If the bullet is so good it can open up at say 1500 fps and perform can it possibly hold together at say 34-3500 fps?
Right now it's my opinion the only plastic tipped bullets out there that can perform at high speed would be the barnes mrx and the new winchester xp3.
My opinions are not backed by any scientific proof.....just years of watching first hand info from field reports and taking note of bullet construction.
I think the accubond is a great "long range" tool--far better than a swift a frame or northfork bonded (2 bullets I do have experience with). But I don't consider the accubond to be nearly as good of a high speed close range bullet as the other 2 and that's what I interpreted the post about 3700 fps to be considering.
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Old 09-27-2006, 07:25 AM
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Re: Accubonds at 3700 fps

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IMO, I only believe bullet failure stories on animals where I witnessed the impact or the animal was recovered, generally due to a second follow-up shot, and a good bullet path autopsy results.
If the animal got away, then IMO, it was more likely hunter error and not that the bullet came apart, or did not open up, or a million other reasons that the animal was not recovered. Poor bullet placement results in most lost animals than almost every other reason combined.
Heck, almost any bullet can take most game if the hunter does his part. That not only means putting the bullet where you want to, BUT more importantly where it SHOULD go! We know that a BT is going to come apart in high velocity impacts so if you hit big bone on the way in don't be surprised to see the animal limping away.....cuz that ain't bullet failure! That is plain and simple hunter error!

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Old 09-27-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Accubonds at 3700 fps

I think this is more a definition issue with what "bullet failure" actually means. To me personally, if a bullet has enough integrity to get both lungs and make a mess of things in the boiler room with a well placed shot, I do not see this as a failure at all.

Then there are those that only feel a bullet is worth using if you can get an exit wound from any angle on an elk size target. That is fine but it GREATLY limits the bullet selection you will be using.

I do not feel the original question was intended to use the 110 gr accubond on elk at point blank range. My response was that on "deer" size game he would not have a problem and I stand by that comment.

For elk, the 257 caliber, even in the STW is very light. For elk with that caliber I would not recommend anything lighter then the 130 gr bonded Core bullets and better yet the real heavies such as the 156 gr ULD RBBT but you need a rifle built to use these super 25 cal bullets.

Now certainly the barnes TSX bullets will penetrate well enough for elk in most 25 cal rounds but with the available other rounds out there why?

Serious elk rifles using conventional bullets really start at 7mm cal. I say conventional because if you put a 195 gr ULD RBBT in a big 270 wildcat you will never have a problem with penetration, but again you need to build the rifle to shoot them.

In my testing, the Accubonds will out perform the partitions at high velocity impacts nearly 100% of the time. The reason is because once the partition ruptures penetration is stopped cold. With the Accubond, it will turn into a mangled mess of copper and lead but it will still outpenetrate a partition at high velocity impacts in most cases.

Will it penetrate with the Barnes TSX, no, will the TSX perform with the Accubond at ranges over 500 yards as far as expansion are concerned, no.

So we are back to the original two positions, you want full penetration at long range with little tissue damage or do you want greater amounts of tissue damage and no exit wound.

In my experience, the most tissue damage to the vitals will put the animal on the ground the quickest for less tracking.

Just my opinion. What is bullet failure to some is not to others. Different strokes I suppose. As long as the bullet is accurate enough to put it in the vitals at any range you shoot and kills the critter quickly, this is just pretty much a debate for entertainment!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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