7mm-08 vs. .338 Federal

[Sauer 150]

First off all - Hello from Norway :-)

Since I have some experiance with both calibers at both Short Medium and LR with both I was originally thinking of answering the guy's questions. But as reading through the thread it boils down to a pissing contest that I from my standpoint have a hard time understanding.

I know from personal experiance the joy and feel of accomplishment to hit a 6" gong 1st cold barrels shot at 600m and a 8x8" steel square at 800 and beyond - but after having been on youtube and looking at the many morons shooting at live game at extended range making poor hits, gut shooting and requireing 3-4 shoots at a previously unharmed animal makes me question the ethics of many hunters state side.

I have many friends in the industry since I'm making my daily living from selling guns and accessories - I have to put some questionmarks with some of the practice and the lack of ethical discussions on the forum.

From what I can read on this forum you are happy with a 90% successrate for 1st shot kills. In my book these are terrible figures - If 1 out of every 10 animals are wounded well then I can personally understand that there is a large growing anti hunter movement in the general non hunting public.

When I personally pull the trigger I want to be at least 99% sure I bag the animal. You can never be 100% sure since things happen in the field but to statistically leave 2-3 red deer and moose in the woods every year would effectively shut me out of all hunting anywhere in my country.

Maybe I'm getting week hearted at almost turning 40 - but seeing wild game animals gutshot, shot of legs, or being alive for minutes after shots being taken with both rifles and archery actually turnes my stomack.

So since the tread has already taken off to another direction -my question is easy. Are the many vids you can find on youtube at present within what you on this forums think is fair chase an consider to be ethical ??

I appologize for being very blunt and may come off as unpolite. I'm actually not but my language skills are not up to the level I can fully utilize the many nuances in the english language

[Joe King]

Originally Posted by Sauer 150

First off all - Hello from Norway :-)

Since I have some experiance with both calibers at both Short Medium and LR with both I was originally thinking of answering the guy's questions. But as reading through the thread it boils down to a pissing contest that I from my standpoint have a hard time understanding.

I know from personal experiance the joy and feel of accomplishment to hit a 6" gong 1st cold barrels shot at 600m and a 8x8" steel square at 800 and beyond - but after having been on youtube and looking at the many morons shooting at live game at extended range making poor hits, gut shooting and requireing 3-4 shoots at a previously unharmed animal makes me question the ethics of many hunters state side.

I have many friends in the industry since I'm making my daily living from selling guns and accessories - I have to put some questionmarks with some of the practice and the lack of ethical discussions on the forum.

From what I can read on this forum you are happy with a 90% successrate for 1st shot kills. In my book these are terrible figures - If 1 out of every 10 animals are wounded well then I can personally understand that there is a large growing anti hunter movement in the general non hunting public.

When I personally pull the trigger I want to be at least 99% sure I bag the animal. You can never be 100% sure since things happen in the field but to statistically leave 2-3 red deer and moose in the woods every year would effectively shut me out of all hunting anywhere in my country.

Maybe I'm getting week hearted at almost turning 40 - but seeing wild game animals gutshot, shot of legs, or being alive for minutes after shots being taken with both rifles and archery actually turnes my stomack.

So since the tread has already taken off to another direction -my question is easy. Are the many vids you can find on youtube at present within what you on this forums think is fair chase an consider to be ethical ??

I appologize for being very blunt and may come off as unpolite. I'm actually not but my language skills are not up to the level I can fully utilize the many nuances in the english language

Well spoken

[flashhole]

What is a Sauer 150? I have a Sauer 202. Remarkably accurate for a light weight sporter.

[Sauer 150]

Sauer 150 - is not a gun as far as I know - just a user name taken from two of my favorite things.

In Norway one of the most popular types of competition shooting is a field marksman type where we shot at animal targets. Vitals equals 3 points - center X's equals 5 points. 30 shots total. Prone sitting and standing. All positions are non supported a.ka no slings, bipods etc. A clean round with 30x's = 150 points. Hence the 150

For a Sauer - well I have had quite a few 200's/202's and SSG 3000's, more than 15 since they first came on the market here in -89. I currently own 6 rifles with different barrels in calibers ranging from 6mm XC, 6,5x47 Lapua, 6,5x55, 6,5x284, 280 AI,308 , 30-06, 30-06 AI, 9,3x62 and a 300 Wby. All of the shot better than I'm capable of. Usually they shoot 5 shot groups without any special load development much less than 0,5 MOA right out of the box.

My Medium weight 280 AI (28"- 5/8" muzzle) is my MR hunting gun and shoots 150 Scirocco II's at 3100f/s in approx 3" at 400m. 162 A-Max shoots better - but I hunt for meat so fragile target bullets I leave up to you guys to use.

Most LR hunters here in Norway and Sweden uses a Sauer STR 200 (Skandinavian Target Rifle equals a SSG 3000 with a laminated 3 position stock) in either 6,5x55 or 6,5x284.

I remember telling D Tubb that he needed to get his hands on the distributor ship for these guns in the US since he would wipe the floor with the competition. This was before the 6,5 craze hit you guys- and we knew much sooner than you how much better a slick 6,5 bullet was under difficult conditions than a heavy 220 MK/300 Win was. Unfortunately I say he was already well on his way with his 2000 tube gun - which is probably better suited to you HP shooting than the SSG is. But still many of you should try this gun. You will be amazed what it is possible to get right out of the box for about 3 grand. Barrels replacement is done in a pinch - read 2 minutes and barrels on my side is around 500$ retail

[Sniper1004]

I don't know why everybody keeps saying the 338
Fed is a short range round. Of couse it has more drop than a magnum high velosity round. But, the trajectory is very simular to a 308 wim which is used in many long range shooting events. I had the opportunity to shoot a Whitetail with mine at 480yds and the deer did not go 40yds. Now on bigger game I would pass up a shot of that distance do to the reduced energy/penetration at 500yds. Just a sidenote, I was amased the Nikon BDC (tested before hunting) was spot on for the 338 Fed out to 500yds. Good combo. And out of my Tikka, after some bedding, stock work, trigger work, ect. I can shoot under a 4 inch group at 300 yds. I have had more accurate sniper rifles but, never in a light weight, inexpensive, hunting package.