6mm 105 Berger VLD

[dakor]

Anyone ever use this bullet on deer or yotes? I asked about the 107 SMK about a month back or so but I picked up a box of the bergers also. My rifle likes the 95 bergers so I am hoping it will like the 105's. I am shooitng them out of a 6mm-284. I want to be able to shoot almost to 1000k with this rifle on deer and yotes.

[davewilson]

you will get your best accuracy with an 8 twist. a 9 will shoot groups,but generally an 8 will do better with the 105-107 berger and SMK's.now shooting deer at 500 miles or whatever a million yards is,i don't think this cartridge is up to the task.now if you're talking about 1000 yards, that's a different story.i don't think you've got enuf smack-em jack-em at that range for deer either.

[screech]

Have to agree that at 1000yrds for a deer you're running on fumes for deer. I would limit deer to 600-650yrds. Coyotes I would go for at 1000yrds.

[dakor]

I was talking a 1000 yards. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I talked with Berger and they said I should be able to shoot them with a 9 twist because of the speed I get with the 6-284. After running some numbers if I can shoot the 105 Berger around the same fps as the 107 SMK and it shoots the bullet will have a FPS in the 1700's with 700lbs + of energy. I am thinking this is enough for a whitetail deer or a yote. I base this on I have shot lots of deer with a 220 Swift and a 50gr B-Tip at 300 to 400 yards and this combo had around 700 ftlbs of energy at 300 yards and around 500ftlbs or so at 400 yards. I never had a problem with the 220 swift and the deer went down pretty fast. So back to my question anyone use this bullet on game? What was the result?

[James Jones]

I tried them out of a 243 Ackley and they diden't seem to like to be launched anyfaster than around 3000fps then the accuracy went to crap (1-8 twist)

Next thing I would do is get a meplat uniformer and flatten out the points a bit this will help with th reliability of them expanding. From the critters I've shot the Bergers anr softer than the match kings so keep that in mind.

But if they shoot well out of your gun then give them a try but like everybody else said I think that setup may be on the light end of the deal for deer , it will kill without a doubt but you better be on your game with the range and wind reading

[dakor]

Thanks for the info. I guess I should add more to the post. I am not going to plan on taking a 1000 yard shot on deer. I am just trying to set the rifle up incase conditions are perfect for the shot and that is the only chance I get. To be honest my average shot will probably be anywhere from 400 to 600 yards where I hunt. But sometimes a longer shot could present itself. I have never gone out and said I want this far of a kill I just take what I can get within my shooting range. Now for yotes where I hunt you could get lots of 1000 yard shots. If I was going to hunt deer at 1000 yards all the time I would use my 7mm STW or 300win mag.

[remingtonman_25_06]

I agree with your theory of 700 lbs of energy for deer. I have seen plenty of deer shot with 22-250 and swifts at 300-400 as well and seen them do the bang flop. I was also wondering about the 243 AI for deer at 1000 yards. Seems like a ways for 6mm", but deer aren't all that hard to bring down, and if the numbers are there, and you put the bullet there, thats all that matters.