Originally Posted by milkie62
I know you are a true friend offering to buy my nib gun sight unseen
Well I guess before I do anything on a gun is to buy a scope and do some shooting with some good ammo first.How much better is an AI over a std 06 ?I just thought from what little I know looking at ballistics tables that the 7mm would be better at long range than an 06
Well, you know, just trying to be a helpful...
The 7mm bullets do have a better BC, and if it were mine, it would become a .280 AI, simply because I already have a .30-06 AI, and a .25-06 AI. So I need that 3rd Ackley to finish up that set.
I am one of THE biggest 7mm fans on this site, I was just suggesting the .30-06 AI, since you already have a perfectly good and new .30-06 barrel sitting there, why not open it up to an AI and have that cool and unique factor? Plus, with the 185 VLD's and some slow burning powder it is a beast. You could open it up to .30 Gibbs for more powder, but finding dies that are actually in stock, and safe & reliable load data will be a pain in the butt.
Midway can special order the dies, but they won't be in stock until 07/07/14.
Redding 3-Die Set 30 Gibbs
Or you could always go the .30-06 AI route, and have dies in a few days...
30-06 Improved 40°*Full Length 2 Die Set | MidsouthShootersSupply.com
and you'll need
30-06 Improved 40°*Neck Sizing Die | MidsouthShootersSupply.com
Originally Posted by Kennibear
That is an only fair offer to buy the gun- barely. I'll give $225 for it...
If it shoots leave it in 30/06. I don't see the AI version of the 30/06 as much of an improvement, and I am a big 30/06 fan. But if you rebarrel, the 280 AI is very close to the 7mm RemMag. There is a very good selection of 7mm VLD bullets and the 280 AI will toss them pretty fast. I believe Nosler offers factory brass in 280 AI as well. That cartridge will shoot flatter than a 30/06 AI but not as flat as a 300WinMag. Those factors point to the 280 AI as a rebarrel choice for that gun, IMHO.
I mean, I find it to be pretty fair offering to give a man his money back for something he is debating on keeping... If he doesn't want it, that's a win-win for everybody. He gets money towards his build, I get the an action and bottom metal for my .280 AI build for $220...
The .280 is very close to the 7mm RemMag in ballistics (around 150 fps slower), and will produce more velocity with higher BC heavy-for-caliber bullets than the .30-06 AI will. Therefore, trajectory will definitely be flatter than the '06 AI. Nosler does offer factory .280 AI brass. It's expensive, but nice that you won't have to prep your brass and seat your bullets to the lands to fire-form the old fashioned way.
And KB is right, that if your barrel won't shoot for some reason, and you rebarrel it and build a complete custom (which would be your best option for a long range rifle), the .280 AI would be a better option when starting from scratch. They will sling the Berger 168 VLD's pretty well, too.