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600 yd rifle for Elk & Deer

 
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:25 PM
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Re: 600 yd rifle for Elk & Deer

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There were some good Rem 700s made in the 1970s and 1980s. If the barrel has been cared for and isn't shot out, you might have a shooter. I like your idea for a Leupold VX-III. I put 6.5-20's on our 600 yard guns. If your rifle will do it, that scope can get you shooting 3" groups at 600. The 3.5-10 and 4.5-14 scores are OK, but start to get iffy at 600 yards, especially for older eyes.

Factory ammo has several down sides for long range work. There are few (or no) heavy, high BC bullets available. Most factory ammo falls a couple hundred fps below factory velocity specs (esp in a shorter ADL barrel). You can't tune seating depth and powder charge for optimal accuracy. Other than getting a Leupold scope, becoming a reloader will do more for making your rifle shoot at long range than most of the customizations you've mentioned. A new 28" custom heavier barrel is your best shot short of becoming a reloader.
Well MC I would almost think a 28" barrel is out of the question.I am 55 right now and in decent shape.Recoil does not bother me and I am a pretty decent shot.My gun locally would be a 400 yd max shot and out to 600 on Elk for maybe the 5 or 6 hunts I may go on in the future.I would hope that maybe Cabelas stocks the 6.5-20 scope so that I could compare it to a smaller one.My longest shot to date has been roughly 325 yds with a 3-9 power tasco out of my old reliable M788 Remington 308.What kind of weight do you think I would be looking at with your scope recommendation and 28 " barrel ?
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:32 PM
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if it was me and I couldn't get that rifle to shoot I would send it off and have a perfect 600yrd rile built it would be a 3006 shooting 215 hybrids out of a 26in barrel that's what I would use for that range though it could go alot farther if you wanted its just cheap to reload and the cartridge is versitile. Just my opinion....
With retirement coming on I do not think a hybrid bullet would be within my budget with pricing I see on premium Nosler and hornady bullets.Maybe I am wrong.
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:59 PM
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Re: 600 yd rifle for Elk & Deer

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Well MC I would almost think a 28" barrel is out of the question.I am 55 right now and in decent shape.Recoil does not bother me and I am a pretty decent shot.My gun locally would be a 400 yd max shot and out to 600 on Elk for maybe the 5 or 6 hunts I may go on in the future.I would hope that maybe Cabelas stocks the 6.5-20 scope so that I could compare it to a smaller one.My longest shot to date has been roughly 325 yds with a 3-9 power tasco out of my old reliable M788 Remington 308.What kind of weight do you think I would be looking at with your scope recommendation and 28 " barrel ?
Barrel weight is more strongly dependent on contour than length. A thin barrel can be plenty light, but when you are shooting factory ammo, the thin whippy barrels can have suboptimal accuracy for long range unless you can tune a handload into an accurate range.

My rule of thumb is that every 100 yards beyond 200 yards doubles the difficulty of a shot. A 600 yard shot at a game animal is 16 times more difficult than a 200 yard shot once inherent accuracy, shooting skill, wind drift, terrain, and range determination are all factored in. There are trade-offs in how that difficulty gap is bridged and it can be done reliably with either a light $3000 rifle or a heavy $1000 rifle with factory loads, but if you want to do it with a light $1000 rifle, you probably need to tune your own hand loads or else spend a lot of money trying 5-10 different factory loads until you finally find one that shoots well.

Personally, I've climbed up and down mountains with 12 lb rifles and also hauled thousands of pounds of meat out of difficult places. It seems silly to me to worry about a few more pounds in the rifle on the way in when success means hundreds of pounds of meat on the way out. My longest range rifle weighs about 18 pounds including the scope, bipod, and loaded magazine. Most real 600 yard rifles are going to weigh in at least 12 lbs. Unless the machining is excellent and all the tolerances are very tight, most 8 lb rifles are going to be shifting first shot cold bore point of impact all over the place with changes in temperature and altitude.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:01 PM
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With retirement coming on I do not think a hybrid bullet would be within my budget with pricing I see on premium Nosler and hornady bullets.Maybe I am wrong.
no. I totally agree it takes a lot of money to shoot long range but I could get it done with 200gr. Gamekings seems like either the electric bill or some bergers anymore lol....
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:58 PM
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Well there is a 300 yd range about 10 miles from me but they are not accepting anymore members at this time so I would have to go as a guest with a buddy which would increase my playtime at experimenting with my rifle.I could do a 300 yd range at my house but I would have to shoot off my 2nd floor balcony so that I would not have to have a 12 foot high backstop at that distance because of a slight crown in the field and that crown is solid rock so chance of bulldozing a channel through it.

maybe I should sell my 7mm ADL and use the money to offset a $2k Hill Country rifle.
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Old 04-19-2014, 11:12 PM
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Well there is a 300 yd range about 10 miles from me but they are not accepting anymore members at this time so I would have to go as a guest with a buddy which would increase my playtime at experimenting with my rifle.I could do a 300 yd range at my house but I would have to shoot off my 2nd floor balcony so that I would not have to have a 12 foot high backstop at that distance because of a slight crown in the field and that crown is solid rock so chance of bulldozing a channel through it.

maybe I should sell my 7mm ADL and use the money to offset a $2k Hill Country rifle.
I would get up on that balcony and shoot and for the 2k hill country rifle I say go for it sounds like a good retirement gift if you ask me if it was me it would be a 280 Ai. 26in.
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Old 04-19-2014, 11:51 PM
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Re: 600 yd rifle for Elk & Deer

Selling and buying new is an option I like .But not to be disrespectful I think I would be staying with a std cartridge that I could buy box ammo for in case I got too lazy to reload.

Not to get off topic but i just got an email on a current sale of Weaver scopes.How are they ? Any opinions ?
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