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Old 08-08-2004, 09:26 PM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

Dakor and fifty driver you men are a big help thanks. Ok had an interesting day at range today. So here is the data.Start at 2:30pm 80 degrees.Is up H4350 53.0 5 shots..649 group AV 3649 extrem spread 37 FPS Last degree of bolt lift was resistence.Is this hurting my rifle? 2nd up H1000 57.2 AV 3,370 extrem spread 86 Group size .543 no resistence in bolt lift. 3rd up H4831SC 56.0 AV 3,528 extrem spread 136 group size .417Slight resistence on last degree of bolt lift. 4th up WXR 54.0 AV 3,474 extrem spread 92 group. size .430.Slight resistence on bolt lift last degree.5th and last group of 5.H4350 Av 3,650 extrem spread 72 group size .318 but hard resistence on last degree of bolt rise just befor ejection.Also nothing new about this resistence,plus case holds new primer with no problem. So it sounds like H4350 is the load with the most merrit.Bullet is the hornady V-Max 87grian.So what do you think men? Thanks agian for your time [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 08-09-2004, 08:03 AM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

Iron Worker sounds like your first load might be a good one(Depends on Pressure). Now when you say slight resistance when you lift the bolt did you check around the primer pocket area to see if there were any indents or ejector marks? The reason I ask is sometimes after you fire a round and it has a some powder residue on the neck or if the case is dirty to start with that can cause it as well. Did the round chamber tight to start with? Another way to tell if you are topping out a charge is chrony 1/2 a grain less then the one you want to shoot and if you are only gaining 10 to 20 fps more with the load that has the higher charge you are starting to top your load out. I would say as long as you are not getting ejector marks on the case and the bolt has very little resistance you should be ok.

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Old 08-09-2004, 10:44 PM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

As far as ejector marks.If you look in the light just right there is a slight shinny mark [slight is the key word] I polihed the brass as part of the reloading procedure.So clean brass.I think I'll try your suggestion about decreaseing by a 1/2" I also thought maybe seat the bullet 5 1,000s deaper.Or would that throw a monky wrench in the works?The last 5 rnds of the day was the best group I've ever shot.If you sight that load in fdor 3/4 high at 100 its a mere 4 1/2 low at 300yds.I once shot a yote at 341 yds with a load 300FPS slower and that dog looked like he was electrocuted. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
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Old 08-13-2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

i found out today my uncles is a 12"twist..
that throws out most if not all the heavy bullets.. what do you all think is the heaviest i should even try... we tried 87vmax, 85gr sierra hpbt, 95nosler bt's 100gr sierra spbt, and 105 amax hit sideways.
that was all with rl22,retumbo(just for experiment) IMR4831, and H4831... best was around 1.5" at 100yds.. any suggestions?
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Old 08-13-2004, 07:10 PM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

I use to have a 1 in 12 twist. 80 grains is the most.Best I think would be the 75 gr Hornady V-Max [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 08-14-2004, 10:23 AM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

Iron worker,

Interesting information, sorry I have not replied sooner, been a little crazy in the shop.

I guess you have to decide what is the most important to you for load characteristics.

As an extreme range shooter, meaning medium range shooting is +800 yards and serious stuff starts at 1000 yard and beyond.

I look first at E.S. numbers. For this type of shooting, 30 fps E.S. is on the top end of acceptibility. I much prefer to get then in the low teens or single digits.

BUT!!

Your rifle is not designed for this style of shooting. It takes advantage of the brute horsepower of the 6mm-284 round to drive light to medium weight bullets very fast.

I would say that if I had your rifle, I would say 600 yards would be my range limit using it with the 87 gr V-Max.

Please understand this is not a put-down to your rifle, 600 yard shooting is serious work that needs the best equipment available and precise machining and ammo.

It is the bullet that places your range limitations as well as load characteristics such as basic accuracy and consistancy.

Of the loads you listed, I would concentrate on the H-4350 load. 3650 fps is smoking fast. Remember you are getting 22-250 Rem velocity using a 55 gr pill but you are driving a 22 gr heavier bullet. This is siginificant.

Now for the bolt lift resistance, when do you feel this resistance? Is it on the first 1/3 of the bolts rotation when you start to lift the bolt from the locked position or is it when the extractor cam on the bolt handle engages the cam on the receiver.

If it is the extractor cam you will feel it at the very last amount of movement in the bolt life.

If your running the pressure to high, you will feel the bolt lift resistance increase from the very start because the case is pushing very hard back against the bolt face after firing.

If the initial bolt lift is normal and only the last part has a little resistance, this means that your cases are tight in the chameber but not against the bolt face.

Any round such as the 6mm-284 with its minimal body taper is going to be slightly harder to extract or at least to initially pop free of the chamber.

It could also be that you have a burr on your extractor cam either on your bolt or receiver. If you do, take a shone and carefully smooth the burr out and then use a high quality Moly grease between these surfaces to prevent or reduce further gauling.

This is a common problem with Rem 700 actions but an easy one to fix. I just range tested a 22-6mm AI this morning that I built that had the same problem. It is not generally a pressure problem but a mechanical problem like the burr presents.

That said, if you can not get at least 4 firings per case without the primer pockets getting looser, you need to reduce your load until youcan get this.

As far as the load testing, I would certainly go with the H-4350 for further testing.

What primer are you using. Sometimes trying a cooler or even slightly hotter primer will drop E.S. a measurable amount.

Also, play with the seating depth and this will ofter tune group size and consistancy.

Finally, again with the bolt lift. In a round like the 6mm-284, I recommend to my customers that after every 5 shots or so to either get new brass or have your cases properly annealed to restore their elasticity.

With the powder volume and heat generated by the 6mm-284, cases get work hardened pretty fast. This make the brass stiffer and it will not contract down after firing. This will create a false indication of high pressure as well and can often result in a shiny ejector mark on the case head.

This is one reason I do not recommend tight necked chamebers in such high intesnity rounds, most will not anneal theor cases after 5 firings and then the brass is really to hard to perform well..

Anyway, I would load up 15 rounds of that H-4350 load and shoot either 5 three shot groups or three 5 shot groups and average them to see what the load will really do. Also, a 15 round string will really tell you how consistant the load is also.

For your purposes, 72 fps E.S. is alot but not unusible by any means. I have a Ruger M77 VT that I rechambered to 22-250 AI that averages 110 fps spreads with its favorite load of H-380 under the 50 gr Ballistic Silvertip. Still it is a 1/4 moa rifle at 100 yards and will easily hold 80% hit ratios on P. Dogs out to the 400 yard line. This is fine for this rifle as it will not be used for anything much farther then this anyway.

Always try to get E.S. in the sub 30 fps range but do not give up on a tight grouping load for teh sake of E.S.'s. Especially for a rifle used at conventional varminting ranges.

Good Shooting!!!

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Old 08-15-2004, 12:56 AM
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Re: 6-284 long range antelope load

Thank you very much Kirby for that Gold mine of information.Yes its on the very last degree of bolt lift.Yes its where the "cam" as you put it ingages the ejector.Primer I use is most of the time and this time is federal 210Match.Yes I think I'll stick with the H4350 powder.All do what you suggest.Whats the name of your business? Do you think a Sako 75 hunter in 22-250 is a good walking varminter? Remington just came out with thier version of a walking varminter called the 700 LV SF 6 3/4 LBs 22" medium varmint BBL piller bedded.Its $200.00 less than the Sako.Do you know anything about the REMington. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Thanks a whole lot Larry
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