52gr. A-max problems

[Kevin]

dwm,

I know what you mean, they suggest 1-14 twist, so take for instance a 22-250 at 3700 with a 1-14"

190285 rpm

Which is less than mine. I emailed Hornady and they said they didnt know how the bullets would act over 3900 fps. So maybe they are just not meant to handle that velocity.

[H-BAR]

Hey Jay H335 is about the best powder for that bullet in the 223. If you work on the load you won't believe how good they will shoot!!! My AR15 punches 5 of them through one slightly stretched out hole!!! This load won't be that fast though. If you want speed with nearly the same accuracy(which is also a one hole group but stretched ever so slightly more) use BLC-2. These powders burn halfway clean for ball powders but are super easy to meter. GOOD LUCK WITH MY FAVORITE ROUND!!!

[jcpython357]

HBAR, Thanks for the info, I've heard that Varget works well and that Rem. custom shop uses H4895 for their 223s, got'em all loaded up plus some Benchmark, we'll see this weekend if the weather cooperates. I suppose your the wrong guy to try and talk my son out of an AR15, huh. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Jay

[H-BAR]

Yeah I am the wrong guy and could possibly talk you into one! My 6724 flat top Colt is proof as to why they call them black magic!
This thing shoots as good as most bolt guns! With 52gr Hornady match 52gr Amax or 68gr Hornady match bullets and the right powder charges for each load they make one slightly stretched bullet hole at 100 yards!So you too can believe in MAGIC(BLACK MAGIC THAT IS)

[jcpython357]

H-BAR, Do you have a match barrel in your Colt? And what is your opinion on the Bushmaster 'varminter' model? Does a 'AR' type rifle require any special care re; maintanance, compared to a nice bolt action to keep them shooting good, or is pretty much lock and load, fire in the hole. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Jay

[nbnico]

Jay, try some Ramshot Xterminator in your 223. I have found it and Benchmark work very well with 50 to 52 grain bullets in my 700VS 223Rem. Excellent accuracy and velocity. Exterminator gives me lower extreme spreads and a little better accuracy at 300yds, less vertical most likely due to the more uniform velocity. Best bullets so far - Sierra Blitzking and Hornady Vmax, both 50 gr. Varget seems slow for this bullet and I could not get good velocity or accuracy. But of course that is just in my rifle.

[Bluebeemer]

Jay, I haven't started reloading for my Rem 700VS, Sav 12BVSS and RRA AR Varmint 24 as yet, but came across some WW USA 45gr hp, and Black Hills blue box 50gr V-max & 52gr Moly hp from a friend. His divorce was my salvation! Where I am headed is to tell you all three rifles shoot the loads listed under 3/4". Not bad for cheap factory ammo. The RRA will shoot with the bolt guns all day long. A friend shoots an identical load as H-Bar in his RRA with same one-hole groups. This is where my reloading will start. If you buy the rifle for your son, you will always be trying to get it from him for your own shooting! You had better buy two!

The Bushmaster, Colt, Rock River Arms, and DPMS all make very good varmint models. I have shot and enjoyed all of them. The RRA is the only one I still have/use because RRA is not too far from me and are super nice to deal with. I even mounted that darn ole Chinese-made Millett 6-25X56 on it! Sorry, couldn't resist. -- Mike