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Unread 02-13-2008, 01:51 PM
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I now understsnd that Kirby makes no such claim; however he did hit it on that particular day.
Thanks for re-reading and understanding what he was saying. Like I said, what gets typed and what it's interpreted as can sometimes be far different.

I still make no apoligies for anything Ive posted and in the future if I see something that I percieve as questionable I will probably do so.
That's a little weird considering the fact that you have conceded that what you said Kirby said vs. what you now say you know he said, and meant, is two different things. I'd say the BS flag should be withdrawn and an apology to Kirby is forthcoming but, I guess if that's your character then you've made your personal resume very clear. How about tempering your writing with a little more reading and understanding and a little less perceiving?

You guys have succeeded in sparking my interest in this system and I think I will see If Kirby wants to build one for this SOB.
You would be very fortunate to have one of his guns, if he'd build you one.

In closing I will say again if this has offended anyone on this website to the point that they think I should not post here ,please let me know I have plenty of other things to occupy my days and nights.
I for one am not offended, just disappointed, and see no need for you to go anywhere. I just like the fact that you've set the bar level for your future posts as well as your assessments of people and their posts.

And by the way, I withdraw the statement about knowing you from another site. I made a mistake as there is no similarity whatsoever. There is a big difference in names ending in "is" vs. "us".
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Unread 02-13-2008, 02:19 PM
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I own a few of the Allen Mags and speciafically one of the first 338AM built. In WY this last year i set up on a 1170yd pdog. to be completely honest the gun wasnt really zeroed but we got a range and compensated for drop and fired 2 shots later there was a dead dog at 1170yds. Needless to say i was more than impressed, 1000yd shots really are just simple with this thing.

I am in El Reno just 1.5mi off of I-40 at Gene Sears Supply so if you ever wanna see one of the guns just stop by, you said you were OHP so you probably know where the store is.

take it easy
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Unread 02-13-2008, 04:26 PM
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Yeah, I was in your store a couple months ago and bought a few supplies, next time Im in the city I will stop in and have a look. Thanks
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Unread 02-13-2008, 08:12 PM
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One thing you will learn about me is that I generally do not get overly excited when someone challanges me or the performance of my wildcats or things I have done with my rifles. WHen my friends are attacked that can often be a different story but that is beside the point.

Why is this, well, because I get alot of it. When I started the Allen Magnum projects, I got railed for them being nothing but barrel burning monsters that would go through barrels faster then you could get a quality load developed for the rifle.

It is true my wildcats are not all barrel friendly but it is untrue about the latter comment.

I tend to never try to "convince" others. You would waste your life away doing this. I make no claims about being the best out there, hardly. I can shoot, in good conditions I can shoot pretty damn well at long range. In ideal conditions with a rifle I am intimately familiar with, I admit, certain things have happened that even make me sit back and think about but it has happened enough not that I am not suprised.

You will also learn that I do not embelish anything I do when I report on things. Why, because if I did I would be out of business in a hurry. My customers demand a certain level of performance. The fact that I get the reviews I do from my customers give me all the confidence I need in my products without even playing with them myself.

To be brutally honest, I have customers that shoot my rifles much better then I could. Some have posted on this topic already. There are guys on LRH that have skills that make me look silly, hunting and shooting with my friend Shawn Carlock when I hunted whitetail with him really showed me that.

In the swirling winds of his canyon country, I was a fish out of water but we got the job done on a fine Idaho whitetail buck at 850 yards in large part due to the confidence I had with Shawn sitting next to me and calling my shots and conditions.

I report what happens when I shoot as everyone else does on LRH. Have I done a few extraordinary things in the last few years. Yes but I have done alot more things that were no different then anyone here on LRH.

Again, I would never try to convince someone to order one of my rifles. I do not advertise, I just talk about my rifles and what I do with them as do my customers. If the rifles shoot, I get more business, if the rifles do not perform, my rifle orders stop. Currently, I am getting orders faster then I can get rifles out so I am very happy with business.

If you want a fine long range rifle I can certainly do that for you as can many other smiths that frequent here on LRH. I would never say my rifles are better then any of theirs because they are all top quality smiths.

I would also never ask for an apology. You stated your feelings. I do believe they were unfounded but that is besides the point. At least you had the courage to say what you thought and that is to be respected.

IF you read my posts from now on, you will learn I post the successes and the disappointments with my wildcats and I pull no punches. When something works I tell you, when something really was a stinker, I tell that as well.

WHen I shot that rockchuck at 2370 yards with Black Sunshine, I was getting stories from customers that had read about this on many forums where it was simply reported as a hoax. So be it. If anyone wants to come out and step it off, I will be more then willing to take anyone out to the exact spot and they can measure it however they like.

That is the point, if your telling the trueth, there is no reason to become offended by those that discredit you and your achievements. That is how I feel and your opinion of my post does not offend me in any way. Speak your feelings.

About you posting on LRH, I do not know you hardly at all but I would never want to give anyone the impression they are not welcome to post on LRH or to respond to my posts even if they disagree with something I have posted.

If you post on a public forum, you open yourself up to attacks and that is the reason you had better not post fictional events, especially when your dealing with your way of life. I am no different then anyone else, somedays I shoot very well, impressing my self. Somedays I should just stay in the shop and not even load a rifle........

Take care, no offense taken in any way. But I will say, if you have to have it proven to you that my rifles shoot before you would buy one, maybe there are other smiths out there that you would be more comfortable ordering a rifle from simply on their name. I would rather have you order a rifle based on the rifles performance, I could care less if you recognize my name.

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Allen Precision Shooting
Home of the Allen Magnum, Allen Xpress and Allen Tactical Wildcats and the Painkiller Muzzle brakes.

Farther, Faster and Flatter then ever before.

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Unread 02-13-2008, 09:02 PM
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Well Kirby, I am interested in having you build a rifle,as stated before I am in the middle of two builds now so it will be a while. I dont know if I misunderstood your comment about lifestyles but it seems there may be some doubt about my profession and what I do in that capacity. Yeah it sounds a little over the top but it is true. Every one of the manhunts I have been on is well documented in the records of our Department, in countless newspaper articles, in the court records of various counties in the state, in the minds of all the people who has witnessed these things go down. The dogs names are Spot,Gus,Rocky,Pierre,Pat,Pepper,Blackjack,Sugar,T ojo and Sam. Dawn was killed during a chase about three months ago. The Mules names are Sally and Chester. Chester will kick your pants off if you surprise him from behind. One of my LTs can vouch for this attribute.
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Unread 04-25-2014, 09:47 PM
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Re: 375 Allen Mag load data ready, with pics...

Originally Posted by Augustus View Post
I too will smile if a .9 375 bullet becomes available that is affordable and available---- until someone produces one with a 1.5 BC. That bullet may be here, how it performs remains to be seen. Let me say up front that I have no dog in this hunt except that I want the best of what is available to allow me to make first round hits way over yonder. Run the numbers on the differences between a BC of .8 and 1.5 at different distances and velocities. I predict high BC bullets expelled out of fast gain twisted barrels will take long range shooting by storm in the next couple of years. There will be hiccups all along the line but they will be overcome and as better materials and manufacturing processes are developed we as shooters will benefit. I think in the next year or so you will see a 14 to 15 lb rifle that will send a 400+ gr bullet 3400+ with 1.5 BC and a 10000 round barrel life. We will think that is the do all end all rifle until someone perfects technology that is capable of sending a projectile at twice that speed with a barrel life of 20000. Its coming. The rifles we are shooting now will be obsolete and our grand kids will set around an artificial log fire and joke about our rifles that we now believe have evolved to the ultimate.

6 Years later and no holy grail rifle unfortunately, but this was one hell of a Thread. Thank you everyone.
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Unread 04-25-2014, 10:59 PM
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Re: 375 Allen Mag load data ready, with pics...

Yep, I drank the cool-aid. The 1.5 BC Vikings turned out to be a pipes dream. The 10000 Rd ceramic barrels has not come to fruition. I tinkered with several of the CNC solids and the tight gain twist barrels. It looks like the top BC for the .375 has peaked somewhere between .95 and 1.0 depending on who you listen to.

There may be advances in the future but it looks as though the low hanging fruit has been picked.
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