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338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

 
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:01 AM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

any round discussed here recoils. The differnce in how muich as to how it effects the bullet in recoil is minute. Ive seen many sub one inch groups shot with 458mags and 460 wbys. Your arguement about belted cases holds even less water. The good old 300 win mag won lots of long range competitions back in the day and were not talking group shooting here were taliking hunting. Ive got a 300 win mag a 300 wby and a 300 ultra and out of the three the ultra is hands down the most finiky to load for. Due no doubt to its overbore powder capacity. There is absolutely no differnce in a belted case or a non belted case for 99 percent of handloaders as 99 percent of the headspace on the shoulder just like a non belted case. Personaly ive found the 7stw with its belt alot easier round to work with then the 7 or 300 ultramags
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If one's objective is to shoot bullets accurately and shot placement is paramount, then consider the cartridge that has the least recoil. Doesn't matter if a brake lessens it after the bullet leaves the muzzle; it still moves a lot while the bullet's going down the barrel.

Belted cases are not all that great for best accuracy when reloaded. Rimless bottleneck ones are much easier to reload to be a tack driver.

I consider the .300 RUM the ultimate compromise to have the best suite of accuracy, shootability and hunting performance at the longer ranges. It's worth opening up the bolt face.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:17 AM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

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any round discussed here recoils. The differnce in how muich as to how it effects the bullet in recoil is minute. Ive seen many sub one inch groups shot with 458mags and 460 wbys. Your arguement about belted cases holds even less water. The good old 300 win mag won lots of long range competitions back in the day and were not talking group shooting here were taliking hunting. Ive got a 300 win mag a 300 wby and a 300 ultra and out of the three the ultra is hands down the most finiky to load for. Due no doubt to its overbore powder capacity. There is absolutely no differnce in a belted case or a non belted case for 99 percent of handloaders as 99 percent of the headspace on the shoulder just like a non belted case. Personaly ive found the 7stw with its belt alot easier round to work with then the 7 or 300 ultramags
Finally, someone that agrees with me....
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:57 PM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

I just ran the numbers on a hypothetical 338 win mag with a 300 grain Berger with a B.C. of .818, a muzzle velocity of 2450, this bullet would stay above 1000 lb ft of energy out to 1600 yards. So, high B.C trumps high velocity and lower B.C.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:35 PM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

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any round discussed here recoils. The differnce in how muich as to how it effects the bullet in recoil is minute. Ive seen many sub one inch groups shot with 458mags and 460 wbys. Your arguement about belted cases holds even less water.
There are many that will disagree; those that shot those belted cases winning matches and setting records. Unless you can shoot sub 1.5 MOA at worse with a shoulder fired rifle (no artificial support in any way) at 1000 yards with any 30 caliber magnum for at least 25 shots as well as hold a high power long range high master classification card, you don't know what you're speculating about.

I've been there. Done that. several times. Have you?
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:45 PM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

my long range heavy hitter is a Rem 700, 338 RUM. 225 Accubond, 3200 fps but 1500 ft lb at 900 yds thats 1275 @ 1000 yds. It has spectacular performance on game. For comfort it has a cfl brake. and limbsaver recoil pad, and is comfortable to shoot. Have never got a 1/4" 3 shot group but often get 5/16", also has 4.5-14x leupold LR, with custom premier reticle lines and hold over dots to 1100 yds. I'm sure there are better but i love this one.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:01 PM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

I have shot all three Plus another .338(LUPA) & of the three previously mentioned I would go with the .338 Winchester Mag. & a 250 grain bullet. When in Alaska I talked with 10 guides & 5 had .338 Win. Mag. & 5 with .375 H&H!
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:43 PM
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Re: 338 win mag, 300 win mag, or 300 weatherby mag?

I agree with your energy threshold. P.O. Ackley recommended Elk minimum 1500 ft lb,adequate 2000 ft lb, best 2500 ft lb at the distance the game was taken. Im interested in knowing how you will get this much energy to 1000 yds. with a suitable hunting bullet, with the cartridges you have selected.
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