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338 Edge, RUM or WIN Mag

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Unread 04-19-2008, 09:04 PM
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For your comparison these loads are for a .338 250gr bullet out of Hodgdons
reloading manual and listed as maximum.

338 win mag=2657 ft/sec
340 weatherby=2784 ft/sec
338 Lapua=2853 ft/sec
338 RUM-2964 ft/sec
338/378 weathwrby=3072 ft/sec

I dont know why the Lapua is slower than the rum because it apears to
have 1 or 2 grains of capacity more than the RUM.

I dont have good data on the edge but using the same powder it should
have slightly more capacity than the Lapua (104 or 105grs)Placing it between
the Lapua and the 338/378 weatherby.

The main advantage that the Lapua,RUM,Edge and 338/378 weatherby have over
the 338 Win and 340 Weatherby is that if you want to use the 300 SMK the case
capacity will make a big difference.

Look at the ballistics of each and compare.

You be the judge
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Unread 04-19-2008, 10:51 PM
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For a low budget rig with the ranges your talking about Id look at a savage Model 12 Low Profile in 300 WSM.You can always upgrade to a match grade barrel and do it yourself.Ive also been thinking of a 300 saum on thier new target action.Up until a few years ago I wouldnt of even thought of buying a Savage,but since buying one last year Ive had a complete change of heart about the current Savage rifles.A friend and I took our Savage 22-250s out today and launched some 60gr VMaxes.The target below is a typical group at 100 yds.Theres six rounds on the target and Ive found that free recoil is the way to shoot this gun (at least with me ).Kirby,if you happen to read this,I tried shooting my 300 saum Sendero free recoil today...boy,what a mistake.
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Unread 04-20-2008, 05:11 PM
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Ricknolan, What some call the edge on here is simply the 300 ultramag necked to 338. Pac-Nor will be glad to send you a barrel to screw into your Savage chambered in it. It has been a very common chambering over the past ten years used by quite a few gunsmiths. It has a small velocity gain over the standard 338 ultramag which is just a tad shorter. Both require a muzzle brake so include that into your cost.

At the range you mentioned inside 700 yards shooting the 338 winchester is a great option and most shoot great right off the shelf with a little accurizing. I have two and they both shoot great. Again it is usually just a very accurate round in a good rifle with proper loads. I used one in Alaska about ten years ago as a back up rifle. I took a 67" moose at nearly 1100 yards and two big bull caribou at 500 and 700. Very good performance on all animals. The 338 win mag is at it's best with the 200 grain nosler ballistic tips at 3000 fps. That shortenned magnum case on the winny doesn't work well with heavy, long bullets and it just doesn't get the velocity. You do not need a muzzle brake with this one shooting the 200 grain bullet. It is quite pleasant with that load. It shoots flat enough and hits plenty hard enough for anything at your range. Cheap, over the counter and let a good gunsmith accirize it for you. I think you will be very satisfied on a budget. Then take the money you saved and go on a good elk hunt.

If you want to go big time then get a gunsmith to screw in a 338-300 ultramag barrel for you and put a brake on it. It is a very accurate round and will throw a 300 grain matchking a long way accurately.

J E Custom, Here are some velocities you can expect from the rounds you mentioned with 250 grain bullets. I have built and shot all of those for years and have volumous data.
340 wby over 3000 fps
338 Lapua over 3150 fps
338-300 ultramag over 3100 fps
338-378 wby over 3250 fps
These are averages. Some guns may not get that and some may get a lot more. Just depends on the barrel. I have three 7mm stw's that will not shoot a bit faster than my 7mm wby's, two will shoot faster, but none as fast as my 7mm-300 wby. The stw has more case capacity though. I have gone through who knows how many 300 wby's through the years but kept the best one I have ever seen. The velocities out of it equal the 30-378 wby and it only has a 26" tube. 200 grain bullet at 3250, 180 at 3475. I could go on and on. So I always just talk about averages because somebody is always going to have a gun that just blows the average out of the water.
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Unread 04-24-2008, 10:19 PM
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338-378 Weatherby Magnum

I have not even looked at a 338-378. Pac-Nor has one that will fit a Savage.

It looks better on paper that the other 338's why not one of them? What is the good and bad?
Rick Nolan, SPHR
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Unread 04-24-2008, 10:32 PM
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I don't know that your Savage action would be strong enough for the big 378 case especially after opening up the bolt face. Maybe one of the good gunsmiths can come on here and answer that for you. I have built a lot of them on actions that were designed for the 378. Pac-nor has an improved 338-378 Kahn which gets you a bit more powder capacity and velocity over the standard 338-378. If you stick with your Savage action I think you would be better off with the 338-300 ultramag. When your talking about that much gun 150-200 fps is not all that much when you consider the expense of going to the 338-378. The 338-300 ultramag is a very good round. The 338-378 is better but I would get an action made for it.
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Unread 04-24-2008, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by royinidaho View Post
Didn't mean to get under your skin. Poor attempt at humor

I agree that the 308 Win would do very well under those conditions.

I'm assembling a 6BR for pretty much the same thing ant its even more puny than the 308 Win.;)

You didn't get under my skin at all......
range it,check the wind, dial in correction, aim and only one shot

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Why doesn't anyone ever hit the dime?

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