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338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

 
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:39 PM
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

In my opinion you would be defeating the purpose of the 338 Allen to go lighter than Kirby suggests. This is a legitimate one mile rifle capable of extreme accuracy at a mile or further. To shoot accurately consistently I would not go lighter than Kirby's minimum. Weight is critical to control all the aspects of long range shooting. My light rifles can get me by out to a half mile pretty well because I have been doing this a long time and can control a light rifle at that range. It takes a lot of practice with light rifles to shoot accurately at even a half mile and hit game consistently. There is a lot of talk on here about newbies wanting a thousand yard big game rifle. It is not that easy with 10 pound hunting rifles but can be done with a lot of practice.
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:28 PM
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

Just out of curiosity, how long would a Stainless steel 338 Allen barrel last that is looked after?

How many time can the brass be reloaded?

Have been reloading 375 Wby WW brass for many many years (300gr at 2727fps) with no problems. I have stopped counting but it is in the order of 20 times. Other brass however didn`t make it. Like to compare with the 338 Allen.

This seem to be a GREAT rifle with endless possibilities...I want one!!
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

With the current Jamison brass, I'm getting 4-5 loadings and then the primer pockets are a bit loose. This is at 3270fps with the 300gr Sierra Matchking, that's over 7100ft lbs of energy.

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Old 07-31-2009, 06:52 PM
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

So my question for LTLR and Fifty driver is what 338 version is the best for a 10 lb hunting rifle. Heavy rifles here are illegal.

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Old 07-31-2009, 08:36 PM
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

Casspir,

I have burnt out three 338 AM barrels. The first one was my original load development and ballistic test barrel. I was not overly nice to that barrel, it got hot many times for velocity string testing and just in a hurry to get load data developed.

That barrel went from 1/4 moa accuracy to 1.5 moa accuracy in 570 rounds down the barrel. Some of these loads were quite high in pressure driving the 300 gr SMK to 3500 fps with the old TTI cases.

My second two barrels were used with Jamison brass and they have lasted longer. They went from just shy of 1/2 moa to around 3/4 moa barrels in 620 and 680 rounds. They are both very usible long range rifles, even at 1000 yards but I decided to pull both of them and I have a Krieger barrel here ready to replace them.

All of these were Lilja barrels which are famous for accuracy but they are not overly hard and tend to have their throats wash out a bit faster then a good cut rifled barrel such as the Krieger.

I am predicting I will easily break 800 rounds in the Krieger barrels and possibly more.

Simply put, they are not barrel friendly but for their design purpose, that being long range big game hunting. A barrel will last the better part of a hunting carreer even for a serious big game hunter.
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

Leaddog,

I personally do not believe any of these are viable options in a legit 10 lb rifle. I have heard some claims of rifles near this weight limit but I do not see how you can do this without severely cutting corners on barrel, stock and receiver strength and rigidity.

If you are limited to 10 lbs I would say look into the improved 338 Lapua wildcats such as my 338 Allen Xpress. They are no where near the equal to the 408 CT based wildcats but its very practical to get them into a 10 lb rifle, even a repeater. Performance wise, 2950 to 3000 fps depending on barrel length.
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Re: 338 Allen vs. 338 Snipe tac vs. 338 XT - Which one?

I owned a .30-378 TRG-S, and .338rum Sendero Sf and .300rum sendero sf; up until last year. Beautiful rifles, powerful cartridges; but....

I realize they are far from biggest/baddest and were no where near 1mi capable rifles. Yet, I sold them because even though I live in Alaska and could choose to employ any in my front yard, they were not "practical".

Just posting this to mention the other side of the equation and share thoughts on the most underated .338 going, the .338/300win mag.


Not a specialty round. Just neck up .300win mag brass and go shoot it.
Not hard to make; just improve a .338win mag barrel with a hand-held reamer if you're careful.
Not hard to afford; brass is $60 per hundred and you can find it anywhere (if you can find anything).

My experience is that it is the most flexible .338 magnum round going. A .338-06 might even be bettter, but won't yield the performance the .338/300 does.

I've only fired 250gr bullets in mine. But using XMR4350 and 65gr with a250gr hornady or sierra, it is mild recoiling as a 12lb .308win. With 79gr (don't try this at home), it is on par with the .338 rum and .340Wby.

My rifle of choice for this ctg is a Sako TRG42. With a Pac-Nor SS match barrel of Palma contour at 26" it weighs about 14lbs scoped and ready to fire. The barrel is 1:10 twist to allow 300gr bulets. I haven't done more than chamber the barrel. My prior experience was with a modified SS rem 700 BDL and for a 10.5# rifle w/4.5-14x 50mm Leupold LRT it was/is a great hunting rifle for Southcentral Alaska.

My TRG42 is a switchbarrel rifle. Have the orig Sako 42 barrel in .300win, a TRG-S sporter barrel in .300win, .338win, & 340wby, and the .338/300 match barrel. The .300win 42 barrel fits nicely on an opened-up TRG-S stock, albeit a bit long.

Sure, if you're building The 2000 meter rifle, this ain't the cartridge for you.

But if you're tired of losing barrels to burnt throat at 500-700rds, want more than 50 loads per pound of powder, and wonder why you're paying $4 ea for brass; the .338/300 was my solution.

About the only thing I'm debating now is whether to order a .338/300 AI reamer, and If I want another Sako bolt body and a .338-06 AI in a light varmint contour.

Not much beats the M995 Sako action for anything up to the Lapua Magnum. Would really think the .338 Norma would be the best longrange magnum solution in .338 diameter; but that's me. With a Leupold Mk4 10x m3, I feel very well set for 1200yd shooting, but I am just wanting to take Moose with it anyway, and Minute of Rib Cage on a 1400lb bull moose is a damn large minute.

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