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Old 04-03-2013, 06:53 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

How so ? Its just a scale ? Is it not more important that the turret and reticle scale be matched ? What can I not do with my FFP MOA reticle in my 6-24 Vortex scope that someone else can do with a MIL reticle ? I think the number of mil trained shooters is considerably smaller than those who use MOA.

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Also for long range work a MIL RAD scope will make a huge difference.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:03 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

Very simple. The scales are not equal. 1 MOA doesnt equal 1 MIL. At 1000 yards according to my data book. its 48.1 MOA and only 14.0 MILS. Also a MIL is a more precise measurement. My scope has the ability to see 20 mils in the reticle. I don't need to dial.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:13 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

Yup, that would be like saying that a dimension in mm is a more precise measurement than in inches... Truth is that one can measure equally precisely in any unit, as long as one has a sufficient number of significant digits. And that is said by myself who was educated in metric and now working in inch land....



Usually what matters is what increment you have on your turret and in the 1/4MOA vs 1/10th Mil game 0.25" is smaller than 0.36" which means that it is generally easier for someone with MOA turrets to make a small adjustment than it is for someone with 1/10th mil turrets.

If you want to claim that A is better than B you had better bring some evidence. Math is math.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:21 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

How is a MIL a 'more' precise measurement? One MIL is equal to roughly 3.6" (3.44 MOA) at 100 yards, 36" at 1k. One MOA is equal to roughly 1.047" at 100 yards and 10.47" at 1k. As long as the operator knows the value of the one he/she is using and how to use it I am failing to see how one is more precise than the other.

Most MIL scope have 5 MILS equalling roughly 180" of holdover at 1k. Many MOA scopes have 20 MOA equalling roughly 210" of holdover at 1k.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:27 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

Your right, math is math. I'm speaking from an experience standpoint. Not from a mathmatician standpoint. I started out using MOA scopes when I was younger. I then joined the service and only used MIL RAD. I wouldn't go back to MOA. But thats my preference. I prefer having an optic that I dont have to dial for distance up to and including 1000 yards. Also another reason I stopped shooting the 308 past 1000 is because using a ballistically superior round such as the 338 RUM made it that much easier. Less dialing, less holdover, less winddrift. It is my personal belief MIL RAD scopes are the best choice for long range work. Anyway it appears we have gotten off topic.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:30 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

Don't let the naysayers fool you. There is a lot more potential in the 308 than many old schoolers will have you think. The biggest thing that hold the 308 back is its reputation for 1: short barrels, 2: 168 grain and lighter pills and 3: older load data with older powders. Given 24-26" barrels, heavy bullets and modern powders there is plenty to be desired. That said you can take the 308 to well over 1k on paper and approaching 1k for deer size critters. At many hunting altitudes there are loads the approach or even exceed 1000' pounds of energy at 1k. With its insane accuracy it is a worthy caliber/cartridge.

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Old 04-03-2013, 07:40 PM
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Re: .308 Winchester range?

And the reason for your wide field of view would be reduced magnification ? 10X ? I'm afraid that the majority of people on this site who make long distance kills on game animals will disagree with your approach. Unlike enemy combatants, at that long range one has sufficient time to carefully calculate out current weather, altitude, temperature, range, wind and dial it into the scope. I personally use my FFP reticle a lot, but that is because my shots are closer at 140-400 yards and the coyotes I am after are small and never cease to move.

Provided the OP has a scope with matching turret/reticle scale and for 99.9% of us lacking MC training, there is no advantage whatsoever in going with a Mil scale. Having said that, one generally has the choice to go either way on any decent scope so it is a matter of personal preference.

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Your right, math is math. I'm speaking from an experience standpoint. Not from a mathmatician standpoint. I started out using MOA scopes when I was younger. I then joined the service and only used MIL RAD. I wouldn't go back to MOA. But thats my preference. I prefer having an optic that I dont have to dial for distance up to and including 1000 yards. Also another reason I stopped shooting the 308 past 1000 is because using a ballistically superior round such as the 338 RUM made it that much easier. Less dialing, less holdover, less winddrift. It is my personal belief MIL RAD scopes are the best choice for long range work. Anyway it appears we have gotten off topic.
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