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.308 Winchester and .30-06

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Unread 03-03-2004, 08:41 AM
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Re: .308 Winchester and .30-06

The .308 is supposed to be more accurate, the .06 is a little faster. Where the .06 out shines the .308 is with the heavier bullets.
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Unread 11-10-2004, 08:01 AM
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Re: .308 Winchester and .30-06

I asked every one i knew what the best long range rifel was for hunting (besides the 50 cal snipe lol) and i got some different quotes some say 30-06 some say 7mm and finlly 2 people at the bimart sporting goods sayed that the 270 win was thar fav so i looked into it in that shooters bible and it sayed at 300 yards the 30-06 has an 11 inch drop 7mm 10 inch and 270 win 6.5 and 270 does not drop 11 inch untill 400 yards can some one tell me what 308 win dorp at 300 and 400 yards is? i got a 270 win cuz the charts says it out shoots the 30-06 on the drop but you make the 30-06 sound good plz tell me were the 30-06 ,308 win and the 270 win stand aginst each other and if you can impact at 300 yards i would be very gratefull thanks
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Unread 11-10-2004, 11:55 AM
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Re: .308 Winchester and .30-06

ironwolfjoe, comparing cartridges from a ballistic chart is very misleading. For deer to elk size game and 300yds, just about any hunting cartridge will work. Just do the 45-70/ 22250 comparison. Which do you think will be more effective at dropping a moose? The 22-250 usually have more "print" energy at 200yds.

There are a varieties of thoughts on what works best. Some like heavy bullets at mod. speeds, others like the super zappers - high vel and light bullets. They both work if you put the bullet in the boiler room.

As to which is a better killer, I have compared notes with many hunters and you can read data in all hunting mag which clearly shows that there is no cut and dry "drop'em in their tracks" cartridge.

I have shot deer with the same '06 load that dropped and others that ran a bit. All were hit is the same general area and of varying size. The big ones dropped and the smaller ones ran off.

Is the '06 a weak cartridge? Nope. Just animals are unpredictable in how they will succumb.

Trajectory between the three is also moot. Just about any load will work within reasonable holdover out to 300yds. On this board we are concerned about going much further.

There are differences once you get past 400 to 500yds. Wind drift, retained vel/impact vel, bullet design become very important. At extended ranges, I lean towards the 270 because of the higher BC and SD bullets when the mid weight 30cal bullets (150 to 165gr).

I am now shooting a 6.5-06 with 140gr SST bullets and there is simply no comparison on impact energy with a '06 and 165gr SST at 500 and 600yds. The 6.5 is way higher. Although a lighter bullet, the BC is much higher then the 30's so slows down less. Impact vel and thus energy is higher and the high SD penetrates like there is no tomorrow.

The 270 would be similar when using 150gr SST or ballistic tips.

If you hunt in windy conditions, I would suggest you go with the 270 and 150gr poly tipped bullets. Launch them accurately at 2850 to 2950fps and it will do everything you want plus have the ability to shoot through windy conditions much better.

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Unread 11-12-2004, 01:23 AM
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Re: .308 Winchester and .30-06

Well if you pick a rifle that you can use anywhere in the world, always find ammo for it and with the right bullet choice it will do for about any game then the 30-06 has to be near the top of the list. I get 2890 FPS with 165gr Hornady light magnum SST and 2850 FPS with 180gr BTSP Interlock hornady light mag out of my Border barrels 5R 30-06. its got a 21.5 inch barrel. for general deer work there isn't much to choose between the 06 and the 308, both work well. the 06 has the advantage when it comes to heavier bullets and tougher game, Elk, Moose, Bears and some tougher African stuff. I know the 06 works better on these European wild boar than the 308 does with the same bullets, the little extra wack seems to be just the ticket.
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Unread 11-19-2004, 09:29 AM
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Re: .308 Winchester and .30-06

Decisions, decisions...I went with a .308 because they are inherently more accurate than the 30-06. Not a lot of difference in the ballistics either. The .308 does what I need it to do which is drill targets between 100 and 600 yards at the range, (about 500 rounds/year) and take out some whitetails, (about 2 rounds/year). So I like the .308 because it's a pleasure to shoot and does the job. I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axle about ballistics. My friends 30-06 on the other hand has some major recoil. It's a lighter gun than mine though. So I went with the .308.

The good news is that if you don't think the .308 or .270 has enough umph to it then you can always buy a 300WM down the road. It's always good to have a backup anyway.
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