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Old 08-02-2010, 09:50 PM
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Re: .308 Project -seeking advice-

Sounds like you want a general purpose 308.

24" LV/HV contour with throat for 175 smk in 1-11 twist.

That is a bread and butter setup for the 308.

Lapua brass, BR2 or WLR primers and 44-46 grains of Varget and shoot em.

You can go to 1200 or more with the 175s, just as cheap and easy to load as the 168 and same with the heavier bullets.

The 175 SMK will do everything you want now and then some.

Learn the basics of the 308 with the 175 SMK and then expand into other bullets.

BH
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:14 PM
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Sounds like you want a general purpose 308.

24" LV/HV contour with throat for 175 smk in 1-11 twist.

That is a bread and butter setup for the 308.

Lapua brass, BR2 or WLR primers and 44-46 grains of Varget and shoot em.

You can go to 1200 or more with the 175s, just as cheap and easy to load as the 168 and same with the heavier bullets.

The 175 SMK will do everything you want now and then some.

Learn the basics of the 308 with the 175 SMK and then expand into other bullets.

BH
I would vary from this only slightly....

26" barrel

RL17 rather than Varget
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:58 AM
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Thanks for that. I need to learn more about the parts so I am not using everyone's time up with so many question's. I am going to be stationed in Fort Carson, CO here in a few months. Hopefully I can find a way to make it up a bit north and go to the school of trades there and take some gunsmith courses.

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Nomad gave you a pretty good schematic that will breakdown the major parts of a rifle. Let me be more specific on the recoil lug....

First, a recoil lug is a small piece of steel, almost a washer, between the barrel and the action (the barrel screws threw it).





It can increase accuracy because many factory recoil lugs are not precision made. They can have some variance in thickness which means the barrel may not seat squarely against it. This is why most people replace the factory lug when they rebarrel.

It does not reduce felt recoil. If anything, it might increase felt recoil. The recoil lug functions to transfer recoil from the barrel to the stock. By having your action bedded into the stock, you get positive fit between action/recoil lug/stock....

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Sounds like you want a general purpose 308.

24" LV/HV contour with throat for 175 smk in 1-11 twist.

That is a bread and butter setup for the 308.

Lapua brass, BR2 or WLR primers and 44-46 grains of Varget and shoot em.

You can go to 1200 or more with the 175s, just as cheap and easy to load as the 168 and same with the heavier bullets.

The 175 SMK will do everything you want now and then some.

Learn the basics of the 308 with the 175 SMK and then expand into other bullets.

BH
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I would vary from this only slightly....

26" barrel

RL17 rather than Varget
Am I going to have to ask to have a recoil lug added or is that a pretty standard piece for gunsmith's to add in? And do certain lugs differenciate in level's of quality?

I picked out a barrel contour finally. I am going to go with a Rock River's M24/M40 contour and have them thread for muzzle break, end cap and maybe a can down the road when I leave NY.

How good are the bolt's etc. that Pacific Tool and Gauge makes compared to the Stiller bolt? I am also considering D.D. Ross's work. To many to choose from...

I have to get on the ball as far as picking the bottom metal soon so I can get the information to Manner's for cutting.

Exciting yet frustrating with this decision proccess.

Thanks again gent's,
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RiP
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:04 AM
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Am I going to have to ask to have a recoil lug added or is that a pretty standard piece for gunsmith's to add in? And do certain lugs differenciate in level's of quality?
Recoil lug is a 'must-have'. Gunsmith will probably have a preference as to what he likes, go with his recommendation. The only time you might not discuss it much is with custom actions. Some Stiller actions and probably others, the recoil lug is integral to the action.

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I picked out a barrel contour finally. I am going to go with a Rock River's M24/M40 contour and have them thread for muzzle break, end cap and maybe a can down the road when I leave NY.
Nice.

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How good are the bolt's etc. that Pacific Tool and Gauge makes compared to the Stiller bolt? I am also considering D.D. Ross's work. To many to choose from...
Hopefully someone else will be able to chime in with some advice here. All of my builds have been done with Rem700 actions and bolts so I don't have any experience with custom bolts.

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I have to get on the ball as far as picking the bottom metal soon so I can get the information to Manner's for cutting.
What's the rush? why not let your 'smith order the stock?
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:35 AM
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Re: .308 Project -seeking advice-

Stay with the Stiller bolt. You will not get any better than that. PTG might even be making the bolts for stiller, as they are for many others.

I believe that stillers action comes with a trued recoil lug. That is the way I would go and not buy anything else.

Try the RL15 and 17 powders along with Varget.

By stillers 20 MOA base also

FYI, if you have to wait on the action, Dave Tooley is selling his Orion action (made by Stiller to his specs). Couple interesting points, the bolt comes with either the M16 or Sako extractor which is a definite upgrade and the bolt is melanite coated (extreme hardening coating for industrial tools that is about $80 aftermarket upgrade). Comes with trued recoil lug, 8x40 screw holes and only $830 and as of couple weeks ago, they were in stock ready to ship. Bolt handle is already threaded ($50) for your choice of aftermarket bolt knobs too saving more money. see www.tooleycustomrifles for contact info.

Tooley Orion action pics as requested.

Wyatts and Seekins makes good bottom metal too and little cheaper.

I have a tooley orion with wyatts being finished now in 6.5x47.

BH
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:57 AM
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Re: .308 Project -seeking advice-

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Recoil lug is a 'must-have'. Gunsmith will probably have a preference as to what he likes, go with his recommendation. The only time you might not discuss it much is with custom actions. Some Stiller actions and probably others, the recoil lug is integral to the action.



Nice.



Hopefully someone else will be able to chime in with some advice here. All of my builds have been done with Rem700 actions and bolts so I don't have any experience with custom bolts.



What's the rush? why not let your 'smith order the stock?
I ordered the stock already as to cut down on turn around time. One reason I am doing all of this is to make sure I am don't get south ended like I did last time and to learn. To make a long story short I waited for 13 months for a smith in Texas to finish a rifle I paid $3500 for that wouldn't even chamber right w/o me assisting the round 1/4 of the time.

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Stay with the Stiller bolt. You will not get any better than that. PTG might even be making the bolts for stiller, as they are for many others.

I believe that stillers action comes with a trued recoil lug. That is the way I would go and not buy anything else.

Try the RL15 and 17 powders along with Varget.

By stillers 20 MOA base also

FYI, if you have to wait on the action, Dave Tooley is selling his Orion action (made by Stiller to his specs). Couple interesting points, the bolt comes with either the M16 or Sako extractor which is a definite upgrade and the bolt is melanite coated (extreme hardening coating for industrial tools that is about $80 aftermarket upgrade). Comes with trued recoil lug, 8x40 screw holes and only $830 and as of couple weeks ago, they were in stock ready to ship. Bolt handle is already threaded ($50) for your choice of aftermarket bolt knobs too saving more money. see www.tooleycustomrifles for contact info.

Tooley Orion action pics as requested.

Wyatts and Seekins makes good bottom metal too and little cheaper.

I have a tooley orion with wyatts being finished now in 6.5x47.

BH
That's some good information BH; thanks. I might have to look in to the Orion by Tooley if it has all of that. So you say they have some in stock now? I will look in to it.

Thanks to you both!
Cheers,
RiP
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Old 08-03-2010, 09:33 PM
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Re: .308 Project -seeking advice-

I'm looking for a BM that will work w/ the Stiller's precision bolt and action. Hopefully Pacific Tool and Gauge builds the Stiller's precision bolt as they add the 3 point safety shroud i'm wanting to go with for this rifle.

Speaking of magazine's; is there another preferred that hangs with the H.S precision in terms of quality? Or is that the way to go. If so; can someone list a couple or few BM's that work well with the H.S Precision mag's?

Again; thanks a lot!
Cheers,
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