I have been a long time reader but just recently have started to post. I have shot a 243 forever but recently ordered a new 308. 24 inch heavy varmint tube 1 in 12 twist. My question is, is it worth ackleying the 308? I haven't seen to many 308s on here that have been ackleyed and I wonder why. Is it not worth it or is there a bigger benefit to leaving it stock? I am thinking of bullets in the 160 - 170 range though I might go heavier. This is going to be a deer rifle, probably out to around the 6-700 yard mark. Hopefully vermin will be in trouble out around the 1/2 mile mark. Suggestions for bullet weight will also be appreciated. Thanks in advace for any replies.
Some of the other guys can probably give you a more technical answer, but I'll but in my 2 cents. I have a 3006 Ackley. I don't think that you could expect big velocity increases by improving the 308, maybe 100 fps + or - 50 fps. This case does not have a severe body taper or extremely shallow shoulder angle to begin with. The best example of dramatic improvement that I know of is the 22-250AI. The parent case has a lot of body taper and the improved version has much greater powder capacity. Case life would probably be greater with the improved version, but 308 case life should be pretty good to begin with. Some of the gunsmiths that frequent this site could probably get into more technical stuff involving stress on the bolt and action and stuff like that. If it were me, I would just stick with the good ol' 308 Winchester the way it is.
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I agree ... however if you want to try fireforming and delving into the relm of wildcatting there is no better way than an ackley improved version of a tried and true performer.
before anyone jumps my sheet I am fully aware that ackley is not true wildcatting but some of the basics are there and as such, experience with the ackley cartridge will carryover to a true wildcat!
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One of the biggest advantages with the AI round now is barrels like the Broughton 5c which will also increase velocity. How much really depends on bullets and twist. You will see alot of 308 at 1000 yd Camp Perry but they shoot for the x ring, groups shooting at 1000yd don't see the 308 so when you talk about varmits at 1/2 mile you need a pretty good groups shooting rifle. What you need to do is run some #'s as to what engery you need to take a deer at 600/700 yds. I sure take to one of the LR gunsmiths here and see what they have to say. Well good luck.
Thanks for the replies guys. This is actually a howa barreled action. Same barreled action as the weatherby vanguards. I haven't been able to find a bad review on this gun so I am hoping it will work out. Properly bedded with good load development, I think it will fit the bill. I am fairly new to real long range (shots over 500 yds) My little h&r single shot 243 is deadly to the quarter mile mark but i just don't trust it past that for deer. I thought about a full blown custom rig but I want to send a lot of rounds down range to start with and I really don't want to spend that much yet not knowing what i really want for a cal. and gun. I thought this would be a good learning exp. and after I am done wringing all the accuracy I can out of this 308 I will probably know exactly what I want. Looking at twist rates for factory rigs I noticed all the savages are 1-10 twists and the remingtons are 1-12's as are the howas. Running ballistics on this as recommended I found that with a 180 exiting the barrel at 2550 fps I will have 733 ft/lbs at 700 yards. With a 165 at 2700 fps I came up with 768 ft/lbs of energy. Some may argue with me but I think either would dump a deer in its tracks at that range. From the sounds of things I think I may leave well enough alone for now. Cowboy- that was the same thought I had. An ackleyed round may teach me a little something more. I kind of have an itch for a 6.5 of some sort in a short action.
Thanks again for the help fellas. I have a lot to learn yet but you guys are a wealth of knowledge If anyone else has any other opinions I would love to hear them as well.
I thought I might add, I was thinking about shooting scirrocos in the 165 grain. If I go heavier I will probably look to the wildcats or bergers. Thoughts on bullets would be appreciated as well.
frequent misser, For up to big deer, I would look real hard on the 150 weight bullet in a premium. You will surely get better velocity and still good penetration. Just my thoughts. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
I never would have guessed that one but a 150 loaded to 2850 will produce 797 ft/lbs at 700. I thought the heavier bullets would have hit a lot harder. Will 150's still stabilize alright in my 1-12 twist? Is it possible to hit 3000fps in a 308?