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300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

 
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:53 PM
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300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

The title says it a lot on this particular thread. Now I spoke to a gentlemen that had said the win mag is harder for a smith to get shooting excellent due to the belted case, and that the WSM can produce the same speeds if not better and will be easy for a smith to get shooting excellent. I always read posts on people hunting and shooting a win mag at extended ranges and pushing 210-215 Bergers at 2800 to almost 3000. But never see much hunting done with a 300. WSM or velocities. What's your preference and the guys shooting the wsm, what kind of speeds are you getting with the 210-230?
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:36 PM
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Re: 300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

I will say that the 300 win mag has been the easiest rifle to load for I have owned.

My load with 210 Bergers was 2995 fps.

My load with 215 Bergers is 3035 and I have seen 3050 fps.

My sons 300 win mag shot the 210's at 2916 fps and had more room for speed but this was the accuracy node.

His 300 win now sends the 230 Bergers at 2775 fps.

All these velocities are at 4000' ASL and from an Oehler 35 , so no internet hype here.

All above loads were easy to work up and all will shoot 1/2 moa at 1000 yards.

The 300 WSM's I have worked with I could not get as much velocity. They shot well but accuracy loads were slower than the 300 win.

I like the brass offered for the 300 win better too.

This is why we shoot the 300 win over the 300 WSM.

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Old 06-08-2013, 07:47 PM
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Re: 300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

Hey jeff, your always one to have great answers, couple more questions for you


Out of the 210 and 215 did you prefer one over the other for actual hunting as well as target. I know you have tried both but I don't remember reading you actually preferring one over the other? Did you try the 230 as well.

Now your son tried all three as well. I thought I remember reading he is currently usin and sticking with the 230 but I could be wrong. I have seen your beautiful rifle 100 times and love it more I see it, but your son's I haven't seen yet I don't think. What is his specs in his rifle, and pic if you have one readily available

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I was also debating between these two cartridges a couple years ago due to the fact I shoot a wsm now factory but going build a 300. Win mag and decided that just from all the info from this site.
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Re: 300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

Accuracy potential between the .300WM and the .300WSM? Now there's some of the internet 'hype'! The .300WM will out run the other every time.
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Old 06-08-2013, 08:19 PM
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Re: 300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

"Hey jeff, your always one to have great answers, couple more questions for you


Out of the 210 and 215 did you prefer one over the other for actual hunting as well as target. I know you have tried both but I don't remember reading you actually preferring one over the other? Did you try the 230 as well."

I am shooting the 215's now but like both the 210 and 215. I prefer the 215 only because of the fact it has less drift and shoots a little faster and is tighter grouped at long distances, probably due to less drift. I have never shot the 230's in my 300 win. But have been with my son for many kills with his.

"Now your son tried all three as well. I thought I remember reading he is currently usin and sticking with the 230 but I could be wrong. I have seen your beautiful rifle 100 times and love it more I see it, but your son's I haven't seen yet I don't think. What is his specs in his rifle, and pic if you have one readily available"

My son has shot the 210's and 230 OTM's. But may be changing to the 215's at some point, time will tell there.

His rifle is off a trued 700 Rem in an A-5 stock with a heavy Broughton 5C 28" tube. It drives tacks.
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Re: 300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

That's good to know, migh have too look into the picking some 215's up later to try
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:33 AM
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Re: 300. WSM vs 300. Win mag

Ive been shooting my 300 win and 300wsm all summer working up loads. Heres my findings. Accuracy wize there neck and neck. Id guess it would come down to individual rifles more then any differnce between the case design. Brass life seems a bit better with the win mag. For a velocity comparison I approached it like this. I loaded both with 4350 and eased up till i got pressure signs with both then backed off one full grain and used the same 150 and 165 grain bullets. My wsm is an abolt with a 22 inch barrel and my win is a 700 with a 24. Yes the wsm has a shorter barrel but like was pointed out to me on here beacause it is a shorter round the chamber would not be so deap in the barrel as compared to the win mag so about an inch of that 2 inch differnce is washed. Loaded like that my win mag was only about 50fps faster. So my guess is if i would have added that inch of barrel they would have been about identical. Posslibly with heavier bullets the win mag would shine a bit more but shooting 150s and 165s you could about flip a coin. By the way I had my 24 in barreled 300 H&H in there to in this comparision. It ran about 50 fps slower then the wsm did. Even these results are hardy wrote in stone as just grabbing a differnt gun of the shelf when you purchase could be 50 fps faster or slower then the one you picked. Where the wsm shines for me is that that little abolt weights about a full pound less then either of the others and its shorter and handier if a guy had to carry it around all day. Compact and as handy as any 243 sporter weight gun and still carrys the load. Out of the 3 my favorite is probably the 300 H&H. Why? For no other reason then i like rem classics and theres a bit of cool factor to the H&H.
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