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300 Varminter Drop chart information (Impressive)

 
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:30 PM
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Adam32,

Really good from what I have heard from the others users. One of the men I talked to, who owns a 300 Varminter, has 1100 rounds through his rifle and it's still shoots excellent.

W.
Thats not bad at all. I will keep that one in mind for the future.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:50 PM
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WOW, that is super flat and the windage is not that bad.

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are you really that gullible?







that's 15' 9" of drop at a 1000 and 7' of windage. :eek:








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Old 02-27-2008, 10:17 PM
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Correction, the chart I put on the original post is for the 110grn V-Max shot at 4140fps, not the 125grn BT.

The 125grn BT shoots flatter. For a 1000 yards you need around 16 MOA and 7 MOA for windage. WMUNNY'S number, at 1000 yards, is pretty close for the 125grn BT.

Like I said, one flat shooting rifle!

W.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:59 PM
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WMUNNY,

No I am not gullible, just more impressed now. This rifle shoots even flatter with the 125grn BT.

Thanks Wildcat for the correction.

P44
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:06 AM
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I truely hope your rifle lives up to your expectations and I am sure it will. However, I would just like to point out one thing. You say your intended purpose of this rifle is for long range varminting.

I would never argue that it would be more then up to that challange. I am sure even at 1000 yards it would perform well, in calm conditions anyway.

Still, on paper things can appear different then they really are. Your issue will be hitting those small targets at long range. With the numbers you offer, you will be seeing an increase of wind drift of roughly 1.75 moa for every 2 mph in change of wind speed at 800 yards.

6 mph..........3.75 moa
8 mph..........5.0 moa
10 mph........6.25 moa
12 mph........7.5 moa

Basically, for every increase or decrease in wind speed, you will see around 10" of change in drift. Now I personally can not judge the wind within 2 moa of actual wind speed at 800 yards personally, in fact 4-5 mph would be hard to judge accurately so basically you will be playing having to nail the wind conditions on the head to have any real chance of hitting a varmint size critter at 800 yards.

How about 1000 yards. Well, the difference in wind drift for every 2 mph change in wind speed is roughtly 18.5" with the load you offer.

That means if you shoot at a target and guess there is an 4 mph wind and there is actually an 8 mph wind, you will be blown off target by roughly 36", three feet!!! with just a 4 mph wind speed error.

Now if you take your same 300 "Varminter" and load it with a 210 gr Berger to a rather boring 2900 fps, at 800 yards, you would have around 6" of wind drift change with a 2 mph wind speed change.

At 1000 yards, you would have 10" if wind drift change with a 2 mph wind speed change. Basically, you have 40% less drift withthe much slower and less sexy 210 gr Berger at 800 yards and nearly 50% less at 1000 yards.

Again, I am not trying to tell you your project is a bad idea, it will certainly work for its intended purpose and I am sure your smith will build you a fine rifle. What I am telling you that if there is any wind at all, you will have a serious time hitting a small target consistantly at long range. The velocity numbers are not sexy with the big slow 210 gr Berger but the drift numbers are much more attractive and thats what gets you hits on small targets at long range, not low bullet drops and hyper velocities.

I was just wondering what you consider these numbers to be Impressive in comparison to?

The lightweight, hyper velocity bullet theory has been tested and tried for much longer then I have been on this planet. Once the rifle technology began to offer consistant performance past 1/2mile, the heavy bullets proved themselves in every case that they were far superior to the hyper velocity bullets at long range.

Terminally, you say that the 125 gr BT and 110 gr V-Max have a distinct advantage over the heavier bullets on varmint size game. I do not agree with these comments. A thin jacketed berger will expand just as easily as these bullets and the added kenetic energy will cause the dramatic pops you want every bit as much as the tipped bullets.

Anyway, I will again state that I am sure your rifle will be an accurate one and in calm conditions, I would be amazed if you had any problem hitting small targets at long range. That said, if there is any wind at all, you will be chasing the ghost trying to figure out wind drift unless your shooting in flat terrain where wind direction is constant over the flight of your bullet. If your shooting in any canyon country, you WILL be very frustrated at ranges past 800 yards with winds even in the 2-6 mph range.

This is not opinion, its fact and anyone that has tested both ways of thinking will tell you this. I suspect after you get the rifle, and honestly shoot it in any conditions other then flat out calm, you will agree as you will see what so many of us have already witnessed many times.

still, I hope it works well for you and I look forward to reading your reports on the rifle.

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Old 02-28-2008, 02:42 PM
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Thanks Kirby, I agree, the higer BC bullets do better in bad conditions, and I agree if the wind picks up, I am gong to have to put more windage in the scope.

If this happens, I will go to a different rifle with a faster twist barrel for the VLD bullets. Like I said, this rifle will work really well in my shooting area. However, I am aware, when I start shooting Pdogs in Wyoming, ect, I will be bringing two to three set ups with me, including a fast twist set up designed around a VLD type bullet.

Anyhow, thanks for the info, and I hope you are doing well. I hope you get a site up soon, you need to have one like Shawns.

W.
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Old 02-28-2008, 05:39 PM
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Fifty, I think everyone + Wildcat agrees with the higher BC bullet in bad conditions. Wildcat has said he has a different set up for these types of conditions. I think everyone forgets that Wildcat is having this rifle built for a particular reason, to shoot varmints out to 800 yards in an area that does not have that much wind. I think the numbers are impressive because of the elevation variable. I know the wind is what keeps you form hitting the target, however, in an area where the wind and conditions are not that bad, these are impressive numbers. Also, the lighter bullet allows for a much lighter recoil and a more enjoyable time shooting varmints. The light recoil will allow the shooter to see the hit on the varmint and the misses aswell. I know you know this, but I think everone forgets that part of the equation. For what Wildcat is trying to do, this rifle gives him the best of both worlds. A super flat shooting rifle with a decent BC varmint bullet, that is recoil friendly, and allows the hunter to see his hits and misses. Anyhow, I guess will see how Wildcat's rifle performes.

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