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Unread 12-31-2002, 12:54 AM
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Re: 30 WOLF


Yes, it is possible to get some pictures posted of the outside. I could stand up a 253 next to a 210 JLK, they are almost the same length, but the 253 has a smaller meplat and a more intricate boatail design. No they are not classified, just who gets shot with them. I would have to get permission to show the inside, the core tech, and boatail stuff is patented. But there are a few out there that have no respect for the law, so you may not get a lot of info on the construction of the internals, until they get released to the public. I know there are some 1,000 yard shooters of some prominence that have shot some prototypes, before some of the core balance issues were worked out.

Bigger is always better if your target is way bigger, and way the hell past 2,000 yards, and you have a pack mule with a spinal growth closely resembling the top of a tri-pod with a mechanical rest sitting on top!

It helps if you train your pack mule to point pheasants, there by achieving true tri-pod configuration, and you keep a dead pheasant in a zip-loc bag, so you can unzip the bag and throw it infront of the mule (preferably upwind) right before you need to shoot!
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Seriously, it all depends on how far, how heavy, what size target, how much time, and your own personal style, its all good!

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Unread 01-01-2003, 10:07 PM
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Re: 30 WOLF

S1,STL_Shooter what brass are you using or having the best results with in making the wolf? Also why do you prefer the 5.5-22 NXS over all the other optics available? Is the 1 in 11 twist the best choice for twist rates. Knowing that you have tested various barrels have you ever tried the polygonal rifling types?
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Unread 01-01-2003, 11:21 PM
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Your rifle sounds alot like mine and Darryl's .300 Tomahawks, except I can get the same performance from a lowly Remington 700 actioned rifle, at about a third of the cost of building on a custom action...
Also, could you explain your post on you and your buddy shooting SIX antelope in Wyoming this year? ALL(except a few doe tags) Wyoming Antelope tags are lottery draw, and each individual is only allowed one tag..
And since party hunting is illegal in Wyoming, how did you and your buddy kill SIX?
I hunt in Wyoming every year and feel lucky to get one Antelope tag--please tell me how to get more than one....
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Unread 01-01-2003, 11:50 PM
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You obviously have not hunted much in Wyoming, or you don't talk to your Game management people too much. For area 14 we each bought a buck tag at the State headquarters, and two over the counter tags at the local store, per hunter, for doe (female) antelope, for a grand total of SIX. Your party hunting comment will be ignored for obvious reasons. If you need more evidence E-mail me at and I will send you the Video tape for free.

I am sure your Tomahawk is a fine rifle. I do not consider the Rem 700 a lowly action, but I doubt it is the equal of a Wolf on a Nesika action, if I am WRONG AND IT IS BETTER THAN A WOLF, then post some targets shot at long range or short range so we can all learn how you developed a 1/4 MOA rifle for so little money. Or keep taking cheap shots with misinformation and maybe you and I can meet in Wyoming and shoot for Ten Grand or so on targets about a mile away. I'll even bet a guy like Wyo or DC would fly out to moderate for a small fee. Wouldn't that be fun? Your Tomahawk against my Wolf? No cheap shots, just you and I pulling the trigger for lots of money. Buy yourself one hell of a range finder and live for reading mirage, I might even ask the Governor of Wyoming to come by, I hear he is an Avid shooter himself.

Even if you don't want a copy of the antelope video, Email me anyway and I will send you the stock your looking for, I have 4 of them that have been taken off for the carbon fiber variety.

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Unread 01-02-2003, 10:10 AM
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The Lapua brass is the choice of anyone interested in tiny groups, long-lasting primer pockets and the ability to load on the higher end of the pressure envelope...

The 5.5-22 allows (on my scope) approximately 90 MOA of vertical adjustment. The higher power NXSs don't have nearly that much...

As far as best twist, S1 tells me the 11 won't stabilize a 240 MK, although I'm going to have to try. So, whether it's the "best" choice or not, well, it's all about what you want to shoot...
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Unread 01-02-2003, 01:17 PM
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Perhaps you would be kind enough to post the total cost of your Tomahawk so we can compare facts rather than insinuations. I think the Tomahawk is a great rife for someone on a budget, or someone who has the right boltface and wants to push the limits on a switch barrel gun that he has other barrels for in the same boltface.

I is riduculous and misleading to claim that your rifle is 1/3 the cost of a Wolf. The group I shot That Stl_Shooter posted a pic of was shot off a bipod with a less than optimum rear bag. I will bet a lot of money that the performance of these rifles is not equal.


"except I can get the same performance from a lowly Remington 700 actioned rifle, at about a third of the cost of building on a custom action..."

You mislead people with foolish statements like this, quite frankly I would expect a Moderator to behave in a more professional manner. As far as the antelope issue, you admitted you already knew how 2 guys could shoot 6 antelope.

So why make the insinuation?

Why not ask a straight forward question like "Was that one buck and two does a piece, or is there a way to shoot more than one buck legally?"

Personally, I love to shoot for something, even if it is for just a beer, seems to bring out the best in people. We have a saying, "PRESSURE AIN'T A BAD THING, IT WILL MAKE DIAMONDS OUT OF COAL."

I would look forward to shooting with you in Wyoming, or Memphis as you and I are only about 6 hours apart. Maybe we could get together and compare the Tomahawk to the Wolf at 600 yards or farther and publish the targets on the web for everyone to analyze. All of the shooting I do with the big stuff is off a bipod, and I think that bipods get a bad rap as far as accuracy goes. With a good rear bag and the right technique they routinely shoot under 1/3 MOA.

Again,I think it is always easier to get facts with straight forward questions rather than insinuations. Your stock will be forthcoming, as soon as I get a shipping address. Take care and good luck with your Tomahawk.
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Unread 01-02-2003, 03:02 PM
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The cost rundown on the Tomahawk is as follows-
Donor action--$399
Stock/Pillars/Bedding goodies--$289
Trigger--$195(could be omitted on a tight budget in lieu of a factory unit)
Hart Barrel--$300
Machine work-$250
$1257 total--About the cost of a Nesika Action...
Admittedly, not 1/3 the cost of a full Nesika Bay custom rifle, but it is more in line with the budget of the average guy putting a rifle together. Take into account that most guys already have a magnum boltface action of come sort on an existing rifle and $195 of the cost was a Jewell trigger.
There's the facts on the cost of the rifle.

As far as the insinuations go about the Antelope, let me be the first to apoligize--- after rereading my post, I see where it sounded that way...

I have a 600 yard range about 5 minutes from the house--If you pass thru Memphis, let me know--I'll be glad to take you to the club. We can shoot farther, but its a little longer drive.If we can get together in Cody, a dinner at the Irma Hotel (Buffalo Bill's Original Hotel) is a good wager...I think Ric may even want in on that one...
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