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Old 03-05-2003, 10:09 AM
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Re: 30/338 Lapua

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"I have built many rifles capable of shooting world record groups at 1000 yards. ... they do not shoot in competitions, nor are they legal at Williamsport or any other thousand yards benchrest range(WRONG). These rifles shoot off bi pods that are not legal, using superior brakes that are not legal(WRONG), using superior barrel tapers that are not legal(WRONG). It is unfortunate that so many of the classes at 1000 yard ranges are so constrained." (WRONG)

I DO NOT SEE WAYNE ASKING YOU FOR YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE MY RIFLE WILL SHOOT GROUPS, ETC. I DO NOT SEE WAYNE ASKING WHETHER THE "WILLIAMSPORT WAY" ALLOWS FOR S1-DESIGNED RIFLES TO PLAY. AND ON AND ON.

Hmmm, think based on the above post, someone else started the tirade about 1000 yard shooting didn't they and made some extremely strong claims and inaccurate statements?

Or is your high horse only reserved for everyone else?

Look, my intention was simply to point out S1's knowlege 1K BR organizatons and classes is not totally accurate, and offer an invititation to showcase his wares, if S1 was honest about a venue to show what his guns can do, as IBS will allow his guns.

I do not intend to get in P---ing contest with you over this. Take it for what it is worth, if he wants to really shoot his guns in 1k BR, he is more than welcome and anyone else with his guns. I for one am very interested in seeing his brake, sounds interesting and want to see it shoot.

However, you need to be a just a little fair about this. If he wants to make those kind of claims, it is extremely naive not to expect everyone to want to see that kind of shooting. Nothing personal here, just the potential for great world record shooting according to the talk. However, everyone wants to see the "walk". "You do not go saying I have the fastest car in the world, but on other hand say, I really do not want to race it after someone has told you that you can race on their track." Just straight old fashioned common sense, if you want to make the claims, people want to see it!! I'll be the first to say "He's da man" if he breaks a world record or even wins one class, much less overall LG and HG Champ at the Nationals.

We did not make the claims here!

If he has got a better mousetrap/gun, muzzle brake, flash hole reamer, great for him and I will buy it(which I have done) and try to incorporate what I can learn from him. We all are learning every match and everytime we shoot, gunsmiths are always coming up with better things. I am sure he has some to offer too. Just want to see them work.

Let's be real here, world record guns are not made and sold based on talk on the internet, but on their ability on a range!

No need to reply, just understand, nothing personal, no personal challenge, but I would love to see any gun & shooter that good shoot if they have an honest desire to show their stuff. If not, well I think we all understand. But truthfully, how many people honestly get to say they witnessed a world record being shot. I would love to see it!

BH

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Old 03-05-2003, 11:05 AM
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Re: 30/338 Lapua

Dude#2,

If you cannot simply admit that a post regarding load data for a 30/338 Lapua was hijacked by a few folks east of the Mississippi, you too are in denial.

There is little hope when a guy asks for load data for a 30/338 Lapua and in its place gets unrelated earfuls from folks who don't own a 30/338 Lapua, from folks who don't make a 30/338 Lapua, and probably most telling of all, from folks whose pocketbooks and philosophical positions just don't benefit from a 30/338 Lapua.
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Old 03-05-2003, 11:43 AM
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Re: 30/338 Lapua

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If you were refering to me in that Dude #2 message.

For your information, I asked S1 about the specs of the 30/338 IMP Wolf just a day or two ago because I was truly interested.

Something else you can take to the bank. My pocket book is full enough to have about anything I care to buy that is available to the LR shooter. Trust me on that.

You said you were "finished" a post or two ago.
How about we "BOTH" do just that? Fair enough? [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

I don't think the rest of the Forum needs to hear the digs toward each other or anyone else.

If you have something to say to me, my email is Dcassel@aol.com or you may call anytime at 814-546-2674. My butler may answer the phone and if so, just ask for me. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Old 03-05-2003, 02:55 PM
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You are right, as I stated I am not a gunsmith and do not own a 30/338 Lapua. I readily admit to that. I do not pretend to be things I am not.

Never stated I owned, held or shot any of your guns, so I am not sure what Dudey Boys comment about "my pocket book and philosophical position" has to do with me holding your guns. But do not bother trying to explain. As you know Stl, I will take your word about him voting for Eisenhower, as I did not.


You on the other hand, claim to build "world record group 1k BR guns" but in reality have never built a proven 1k gun either (shot by anyone) and have never even shot in 1k as evidenced by your inaccurate statements on what the rules will allow and not allow as far as basic rules on guns form the PA, IBS and NBRSA formats. And once again, they are IBS legal so the venue is there.

Guns are proven in battle, not on the internet or with a slide rule, and in the 1k game that battle is on the 1k range. Yes, I and everyone else also, are skeptical when you say again the audacious statement "I have seen many shooters shoot sub the world record groups with my rifles and with other people's rifles", As the IBS LG record is 1.564" for 5 shots and HG is 3.474" for 10 shots that is some strong shooting. With that many shooters shooting your guns with groups better than those, you would think that it would be easy to find one kind soul to shoot one of your guns in a 1k match. How about Stl or is he busy on the weekends too?

Therefore according to your rules, I will gladly refrain from talking about the 30/338 Lapua (which I did not anyway)until I own one and you agree to refrain from talking about building world record 1k br guns and 1k BR rules, until you build one that has "walked the talk" and learn the technical specification/rules that any competent 1k gunsmith knows!

Agreed?

However if your guns shoot as good as you claim, would love to see them shoot by anyone. Nothing disrespectful here, but all of us have heard countless claims to the wonder bullet, bore cleaner, cartridge etc and learned to be skeptical until we see it proven by you or any other shooter you desire.

You say you are famous for stepping over lines other people have drawn, well in this case you drew the line and "All you got to do is step right over that little line you personally have drawn in reference to your guns being able to show their stuff and have someone else pull the trigger".

BH

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Old 03-05-2003, 02:56 PM
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I retract my invitation to you to come and shoot at the Williamsport club----Opps, I mentioned a club I have been shooting at since 1987 and have only missed 2 matches in that length of time. I am not a World record holder and wanted you to show how you shoot so well as you mentioned you/your rifles do.

You would be surprised at the amount of shooters who want information on any forum who would like to to come to PA and other 1000 yard clubs and compete.
If you find that hard to believe, to bad. Maybe this is why I mention it. Sort of a promotional thing for the club or any organized 1000 yard range.

I made the invite to you in "Good" faith and wanted to see you shoot and try to break one of the records at clubs around the Country. This was especially true after your several comments on how good a gunsmith you are and the Record guns you have built.
we like to see a good gunsmith shoot who builds his own rifles.

Your correct, several smiths can't do that. If you can, that's fantastic.

I'm truly sorry you did not take some of the things I said the way they were meant.

I hope your gunsmith years are many and that you continue on the tactical shooting and incorporate that into your rifle systems.

Truthfully, I would like to see your facility someday.

I will always talk about the spotter shot method of LR hunting just as you do for Holdover with your R2 just to give shooters another option.
Your way is not the best way for everyone as mine may not be either.
At least an option can be given.

So, with that being said, I will close and hope this thread dies a well deserved death.

Later and good shooting to all. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 03-05-2003, 05:26 PM
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Re: 30/338 Lapua

Darryl, this thread does not deserve to die a well deserved death. That is your fundamental misunderstanding. This thread represents a simple request for information on 30/338 Lapua loads, and as such, has great merit.

However, Wayne, you can probably see that this forum has been rendered useless for the purpose you require - gathering information about the 30/338 Lapua.

As such, Wayne, if you would like more information on loads for the 30/338 Lapua, you will have much better luck, with much less noise, by emailing me at stl_shooter@swbell.net.
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