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30/06 to 300WM, 300RUM, 308NM, or...

 
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:02 PM
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How hard is it to remove the barrel and put the new one on yourself? I'll more than likely pay someone to do it but it would be neat to do it yourself. I've bedded a stock before so that shouldn't be an issue. Should I float it as well? I've heard from others that when it's bedded, floating is not necessary.
You will need a gunsmith to do the barrel work. When you bed a rifle properly, it WILL be floated.......Rich
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:11 PM
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How hard is it to remove the barrel and put the new one on yourself? I'll more than likely pay someone to do it but it would be neat to do it yourself. I've bedded a stock before so that shouldn't be an issue. Should I float it as well? I've heard from others that when it's bedded, floating is not necessary.
Like Rich said, it's best to let a professional gunsmith handle the barrel swap. Mainly because the barrel will come as a blank piece of steel, other than a hole in the middle with rifling in it, and pre-contoured to the specific contour you ordered. It will need to be threaded, chambered, fitted, and have the headspace trued. While you have the old barrel off going through that process, you might as well have the smith true up the action while he's at it.

Yes, I would bed the action and fully free-float the barrel. Floating and bedding are 2 totally different things. Bedding keeps the action planted so it doesn't move around in the stock causing accuracy issues and POI (Point Of Impact) issues. Floating the barrel frees the barrel from any outside sources (the stock) affecting the harmonics it creates when a bullet is pushed through it at rapid speeds. If there's nothing external acting on the barrel to affect harmonics you will have much better chance of getting a truly accurate load developed.

So, whoever told you bedding was a necessity and floating is not, doesn't need to be giving rifle advice. And I wouldn't listen to much of anything else they said if someone made a comment like that to, or in front of me. Just saying. My appologies if it's someone you know really well, but my time is more valuable to me, than to listen to hear-say B.S.
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:30 PM
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So, whoever told you bedding was a necessity and floating is not, doesn't need to be giving rifle advice. And I wouldn't listen to much of anything else they said if someone made a comment like that to, or in front of me. Just saying. My appologies if it's someone you know really well, but my time is more valuable to me, than to listen to hear-say B.S.

Yeah, that knucklehead would be my dad but I pretty much knew the answer to that question already, I just wanted to see it there was a slight chance he was right.
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:37 PM
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Yeah, that knucklehead would be my dad but I pretty much knew the answer to that question already, I just wanted to see it there was a slight chance he was right.
He was probably getting that info from basing it on the stock designs of old war rifles. For example, muskets, flintlocks, Mosin Nagants, some old Mausers, old Steyr-Manlicher rifles, and some old Mauser style built rifles have a stock that goes all the way to the end (or near it) of the barrel. In which case, it would be hard to float something like that. LOL

However, with modern rifle technology today, we now know how to build the most accurate rifles thanks to many decades or trial and error, and new sophisticated machines and equipment teaching us about barrel harmonics and stuff like actions shifting in the stocks, and things such as that.

So, technically he wasn't totally wrong, but it is not the most efficient or accurate way to build a tack-driving precision rifle, based on decades of rifle experimentation.

Because there is always the Big 4 when aiming for accuracy and precision and repeatability... Bedding, Floating, Truing, and precision handloading.

Once again, my appologies if I offended you. It wasn't intentional. Growing up I thought my old man knew everything there was to know about everything. The older I got the more I learned...And the more I realized he was a very smart and wise man, but he sure didn't know jack about some stuff. LOL
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:59 PM
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The older I got the more I learned...And the more I realized he was a very smart and wise man, but he sure didn't know jack about some stuff. LOL
Ain't that the truth! No, there was no offense taken here and yes, he referenced the old mausers but obviously that's a different application as you said. He's still a firm believer in floating and bedding so I don't know why he even said that. Probably because we love talking guns, reloading, and hunting and will beat it to death like women at a hair salon!!
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Like Rich said, it's best to let a professional gunsmith handle the barrel swap. Mainly because the barrel will come as a blank piece of steel, other than a hole in the middle with rifling in it, and pre-contoured to the specific contour you ordered. It will need to be threaded, chambered, fitted, and have the headspace trued. While you have the old barrel off going through that process, you might as well have the smith true up the action while he's at it.

Yes, I would bed the action and fully free-float the barrel. Floating and bedding are 2 totally different things. Bedding keeps the action planted so it doesn't move around in the stock causing accuracy issues and POI (Point Of Impact) issues. Floating the barrel frees the barrel from any outside sources (the stock) affecting the harmonics it creates when a bullet is pushed through it at rapid speeds. If there's nothing external acting on the barrel to affect harmonics you will have much better chance of getting a truly accurate load developed.

So, whoever told you bedding was a necessity and floating is not, doesn't need to be giving rifle advice. And I wouldn't listen to much of anything else they said if someone made a comment like that to, or in front of me. Just saying. My appologies if it's someone you know really well, but my time is more valuable to me, than to listen to hear-say B.S.
+1 To everything Mud said.
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