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3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

 
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:18 PM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

I know this thread hasn't been active for a few months but I just found it and wanted to weigh in. I've got a GAP built 308 and a StraightShot 300wsm build and had the exact same experience with both rifles. Best I could do with either rig and the HSM loaded 168 and 185 Bergers was 1.5 inches at 100. But I knew it wasn't the rifles cause I've done a lot better with the Sierra MKs. I switched to Nosler Custom Factory Ammo in 165 and 180 AB the same day and averaged 1/2 inch at 100 with both rifles. One group was .27 inches and several in the .35 to .5 inches. Massive difference! I think it's all in the seating depth on those Bergers. I haven't given up on them but I'm not going to shoot the HSM Berger factory stuff any more. I've had great success with the HSM MatchKing and AMax but not the Bergers. So, I bought a reloading kit and I'm about to load up some Bergers that are tweaked to my rifles. IMO it's a good excuse to start reloading
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:22 PM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

Oh @#$$% I just noticed how old this string is; Who cares, Right?

3" group at 200 yds = 9" groups at 600 yards = ok hunting accuracy.

When I buy any rifle that is new to me I do the following 1) Glass bed the action ; 2) load ammunition with different weigh bullets and different powder loads to see what the rifle wants to shoot; if you don't reload, buy ammo from several manufacturers with different weight bullets; 3) when seating during reloading I seat the bullet out as far as the magazine will allow; 4) I use a rifle sled to reduce movement during test firing; 5) I use a rifle sling, especially on higher velocity ammo, because the rifle wants to jump up and/or to the right(if you are a Rt handed shooter) pull the rifle sling down with some force against the rifle sled; 6) lay your thumb of your trigger hand against the side of the rifle so it does not affect your group; 7) shoot 2 shot strings at most, then cool barrel down, use a wet towel. Modern guns and 6.5 swedes will usually get less than an onch at 100 yds and less than 2" at 200 yds using this methodology.
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Old 10-09-2011, 08:17 AM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

I also have a 300 WSM, it shoots lights out, 1/2 MOA with Berger 210 VLD's.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:47 PM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

Capt thanks for ht6e info just bought 300 wsm in BAR for my son, this year will be his first year out hunting since he was hit by a car and they didn't thiunk he would be able to hike any more. I will try the 210's Thanks again.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:36 PM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

never use the lead sled it kept loosening all my screws that hold the action to the stock and all of the scope screws even with blue loctite , i reload and my best groups out at 500yds is about 3-1/2 '' using a browning abolt i have used berger bullets in almost everything i shoot and cant find anything to good with them the best for my 300 is using sierra bullets. the bergers are pretty anyway.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:48 PM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

alot of shooters dont know that flat base bullets go stable from about the muzzle to 200 to 300 yds the boat tails take 300yds or more to go stable i have seen it but the bergers that i use up to 180grains even at that range or more and at different seating depths the sierras still out shoot them but every gun and every shooter is different .
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:25 AM
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Re: 3" group 200 yards, GAP .300 WSM, Berger VLD not cutting it? Need advice pls

I tried the HSM with berger bullets in 270, 243 and 264win and none of it shot worth a crap in any of the guns I tried it in. also the 130 berger in the HSM 270 load is the same berger that will shoot in the .3's when I load it myself. amazing how the same bullet can shoot so bad with a different powder charge.
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