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3 brushes, 280 patches, still getting blue?

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Unread 07-22-2007, 06:22 PM
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3 brushes, 280 patches, still getting blue?

I was cleaning one of my rifles today after some load development. I have always used nylon brushes, a brass jag, and butches bore shine. after cleaning for about 45 minutes I thought I was about done. I noticed my brush was about spent. I couldn't find the nylon brushes at the local gun shop the last time I went so I picked up 2 brass/copper type brushes( there copper in color?). I decided to try one of these brushes before calling it clean. To my surprise the path following the brush came out dirtier than I have ever seen a patch come out of one of my rifles. I was somewhat bewildered by this. I figured it must have been because the other brush was so worn out. So I cleaned in a rythmic process for the next 3 hours and never did I stop getting dirty blue patches after brushing. I always wipe my carbon cleaning rod after every pass, and I spray my brushes with electrical contact cleaner after each set of strokes so I don't contaminate the bore with dirty oil when I'm trying to get it clean. By the end of a total of 4 hours I had patches coming out just blue, no black fouling what so ever. I thought I knew how to clean a rifle but I have to say that I am now embarrassed! Are these brushes that much better than the nylon brushes, or is the blue that I see from the brush itself? I should mention that my process is as follows: 2 wet patches, 20 strokes with brush, 1 wet patch, 1 dry, 1 wet, let soak 5-10 minutes, then repeat. Can anyone offer advice as to what I should do? Should I just keep cleaning?
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Unread 07-22-2007, 07:00 PM
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Sounds like alot of work. I just got so lazy I use a foaming bore cleaner. Its called Wipe Out. You squirt down your boreguide till it comes out the barrel. I like to set it overnight. Run two or three patches through. Repeat the process again,I usually don't have to brush. Its that easy and It really works.
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Unread 07-22-2007, 07:18 PM
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Brass brushes DO clean better, but brass has copper in it (brass alloys are varying amounts of copper and zinc). If you are still getting blue after that much work, it's probably from the brass brush, which the copper cleaner is breaking down in small amounts. (It doesn't take much to make a patch blue.)

You could wet swab really well, getting up a decent lather, then nylon brush it, then clean and see if your patch was still blue. If so, you may have a real copper fouling problem. I have heard of that happening with barrels that weren't properly broken in, but you sound like an experienced shooter, so I doubt that is the issue.


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Unread 07-22-2007, 10:10 PM
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I would bet it's the brush. I know sweets will eat a brush up so I bet butches is disolving just enough of it to show up. Try a wet patch on the jag let it sit a bit and then a dry patch on the jag and see if you still see copper. The chemical action should get copper response without brushing. I have never tried that with butches but I have with other copper cleaners.
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Unread 07-22-2007, 11:43 PM
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Brass brushes do leave copper when using a strong solvent so
I like to use hoppes after using sweets or butches to remove
any remaining solvent and check to see if copper fowling has been

Solid copper bullets like the barnes tend to fowl factory barrels worse
than custom barrels that have been laped.

Once I fired 50 rds of barnes x through a 416 rem and it took 4 hour,s
to get it clean.( barrel was not laped or broken in properly)

Hope this help,s
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Unread 07-23-2007, 07:38 PM
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thanks for all the info guys. I think your right about the brush being the culprit. I usually run a patch of rem oil down the tube then a dry patch. that butch's about knocks you ove rwhen you first open the cap. guess I never gave it a thought that it could be eating at the brush. thanks again
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Unread 07-29-2007, 11:34 AM
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I agree w/ Flybuster =WIPE-OUT is great -i use the accelerator beforehand.

I use general motors top engine cleaner -wet bore good -give it a few strokes every couple of minutes -dry patch out.

Then lather up the bore w/ wipe out accelerator -let sit 1-2 min. and send the foam in.

I also rotate the rifle periodically so the foam creeps to all sides of the barrel. Dry patch out and a few strokes w/an oily patch -done.
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