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Old 04-02-2011, 04:52 PM
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

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In modern chambers the 270 and 280 have a 2.540 max case length, other than neck size they are twins,
This isn't correct. They have the same overall case length but the 280 is longer to the shoulder than a 270 and has a shorter neck than a 270. There is no reason to choose a 270 over a 280 if you hand load. If you want to shoot off the shelf ammo, there is better ammo available for thee 270.
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:18 PM
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

Yes, .051" more body, less neck, none the less a 270 sucks period, unless it has wby mag or wsm after it.
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:12 PM
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

I do agree with you on that statement. From what I can conclude is there are pressure differences, from what I see it is usually higher pressures coming from the 270. My whole hangup on this is, why with two cartridges fairly identical( with a couple differences) does one usually come out ahead. Well pressures has a lot to do with it. I was looking earlier today and found that with the same bullet wt barrel length and powder, that the 270 usually ran higher pressures in every comparison. By 2 to 3 tho psi more or cup. The velocities I seen were slightly higher in the 280 but used a couple more grains to do it. I could just imagine in the same situation if the 280 ran the same pressures that there would be a significant difference ( having a couple grains more) with the 280 coming out at a good lead.
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

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Yes, .051" more body, less neck, none the less a 270 sucks period, unless it has wby mag or wsm after it.
I am curious about this line of thinking.
Do people really believe the .280 is great but the .270 sucks?
That .007 of an inch in diameter out of the same parent case must be the most valuable .007" on the planet.
The only reason .284 caliber bullets are as good as they are is due to the 7mmRM, not Remington's pump gun stepchild.

Winchester taught the world about the value of a mid-weight bullet at high velocity with the .270 almost overnight. It took 40 years, Ackley and Nosler to bring the .280 up to where it is today, and even Ackley didn't heap high praise on the .280.

I'll admit .270s could use a world class bullet in the 155-160gr range, but comparisons with the .280AI don't include the .270AI,...

Beyond that, any great advantage perceived in a 280 is just that,...
One's perception.

My $.02, YMMV.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:15 AM
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

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I am curious about this line of thinking.
Do people really believe the .280 is great but the .270 sucks?
That .007 of an inch in diameter out of the same parent case must be the most valuable .007" on the planet.
The only reason .284 caliber bullets are as good as they are is due to the 7mmRM, not Remington's pump gun stepchild.

Winchester taught the world about the value of a mid-weight bullet at high velocity with the .270 almost overnight. It took 40 years, Ackley and Nosler to bring the .280 up to where it is today, and even Ackley didn't heap high praise on the .280.

I'll admit .270s could use a world class bullet in the 155-160gr range, but comparisons with the .280AI don't include the .270AI,...

Beyond that, any great advantage perceived in a 280 is just that,...
One's perception.

My $.02, YMMV.

I think some just get a bad case of tunnel vision in that what ever their shooting is the best. I think I'm like afew shooters in that I have some calibers I have no need for but that doesn't mean that they won't work for someone else.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:59 AM
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

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Yes, .051" more body, less neck, none the less a 270 sucks period, unless it has wby mag or wsm after it.
I don't think a 270 sucks. If I could have only one gun and didn't hand load, I might pick a 270.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:34 AM
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Re: 270 win vs 280 Rem

It is true that the 280 is shadowed by the longtime popularity of the 270. IMO I don't think the 280 is inferior to the 270. It just hasn't had the attention that the 270 has had. But I see that it is becoming more and more sought after by shooters out there
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