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Old 01-16-2010, 01:44 PM
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25-06 vs 25-06AI

Hey guys.... I currently have a Sendero 25-06 (26" barrel) and a smith who borescoped it for me told me it was severly firecracked. It still shoots very well but I'm expecting it to go south anythime which brings me to the subject at hand.

I will be getting it rebarreled and have been considering consider the standard 25-06 and the AI version - haven't made my mind up yet. I'm getting very good velocities now. 3500 fps with RL17 and 110 ABs and 3400 fps with RL17 and 115 Ballisitc Silvertips. Being the speed freak I am, I wouldn't mind some more velocity. If I can only expect another 100 fps out of it, I'll probably stick with the standard chamber. But if I can get 150 fps or more, I may go with the AI. And yes I know, it will lead to faster throat errosion. I'll be going with a Lilja 3 groove barrel that have a good rep for better barrel life and hopefull some GJ will help.

I'm also considering a 6.5-06AI a some point as well. I might do it as a switch barrel option on one of my 300 RUM Sendero platform. That way I could have a couple of smaller cal PD regulators to shoot side by side. If I get both in AI I can use the same bushing dies for reloading.

Any experience and opions are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark
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Old 01-16-2010, 02:17 PM
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Re: 25-06 vs 25-06AI

I haven't chrono'ed my 25-06AI yet but based on the drops and a ballistic program I'm getting 3600ish with IMR7828 and 110 Accubonds. My barrel is a 5R Rock. You could likely push a 3 groove Lilja faster with less pressure.

The only reason I didn't go to the 257STW is I felt it would be a waste in a 26 inch barrel but if I had it to do all over again it would be the STW and at least 28 inches because I'm a speed freak myself. Having said that my original intent was to build more of a carry rifle anyway but since you already have a Sendero platform the STW sounds sweet.
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Old 01-16-2010, 10:46 PM
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Re: 25-06 vs 25-06AI

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I haven't chrono'ed my 25-06AI yet but based on the drops and a ballistic program I'm getting 3600ish with IMR7828 and 110 Accubonds. My barrel is a 5R Rock. You could likely push a 3 groove Lilja faster with less pressure.
3600ISH that's cooking with a 110 Accubond in a AI.
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:14 AM
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Re: 25-06 vs 25-06AI

I'm running a .25-06 AI on a 1in10 Hart barrel with a tight neck chamber. One thing I would never do again is to make one with a tight neck. Real PITA to have to turn everything prior to fire forming. Gun IS very accurate though with just about anything I put down the tube. Actually the gun is a way better shooter than I will ever be. But with all that said I do have to admit it has taught me more about shooting and reloading than I ever thought I would know or needed to know.
I also am a speed freak to a certain degree. And a lover of the .25-06 of which I have owned in my lifetime at least 7 of them and 5 at one time. First one was a custom built one prior to Remington even coming out with their version. It also taught me to reload. Second one was one of the first rifles that Remington built in .25-06 which I shot so much I just plain wore out the barrel.
With all that history though I found one thing. I could push the .25-06 as hard as I could but always came up wanting just a few more FPS and just a bit flatter trajectory. Made my first 700 yd kill with that Remington at 700 yds and became hooked on long range.
Since I finally bit the bullet so to speak and went to the .25-06AI I have been very pleased as I seem to be running less pressure and getting just a bit more out of my loads. Trying different powders and bullets I find I am even more enamored with the caliber but I'm still wanting just a bit more. My search for a new powder that would give it to me took me away from IMR4831 to H4831SC to a Retumbo loading which is very accurate but still lacking and I'm now looking into IMR 7828 which could prove to be the powder I"m looking for which if it works might just get me that trajectory I'm looking for.
Now with all that boring rhetoric I will say this. Don't ever fell bad about building a rifle in .25-06AI as it is an awesome cartridge and though it might be just a bit of a barrel burner 1500 rounds does not seem out of reach and could prove to be one of the best Antelope/Deer cartridges of all time (my opinion )
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:20 AM
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Re: 25-06 vs 25-06AI

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Hey guys.... I currently have a Sendero 25-06 (26" barrel) and a smith who borescoped it for me told me it was severly firecracked. It still shoots very well but I'm expecting it to go south anythime which brings me to the subject at hand.

I will be getting it rebarreled and have been considering consider the standard 25-06 and the AI version - haven't made my mind up yet. I'm getting very good velocities now. 3500 fps with RL17 and 110 ABs and 3400 fps with RL17 and 115 Ballisitc Silvertips. Being the speed freak I am, I wouldn't mind some more velocity. If I can only expect another 100 fps out of it, I'll probably stick with the standard chamber. But if I can get 150 fps or more, I may go with the AI. And yes I know, it will lead to faster throat errosion. I'll be going with a Lilja 3 groove barrel that have a good rep for better barrel life and hopefull some GJ will help.

I'm also considering a 6.5-06AI a some point as well. I might do it as a switch barrel option on one of my 300 RUM Sendero platform. That way I could have a couple of smaller cal PD regulators to shoot side by side. If I get both in AI I can use the same bushing dies for reloading.

Any experience and opions are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark

Im a quartetbore shooter myself and your getting excellant vel. Im shooting imr-4831 out of my 25-284 100 gr. sierra fb around 3450. Im going to try some rl-17 but was wondering what you compare rl-17 and 15 too
250 ackley
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25 wsm ( in building process )
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Re: 25-06 vs 25-06AI

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Hey guys.... I currently have a Sendero 25-06 (26" barrel) and a smith who borescoped it for me told me it was severly firecracked. It still shoots very well but I'm expecting it to go south anythime which brings me to the subject at hand.

I will be getting it rebarreled and have been considering consider the standard 25-06 and the AI version - haven't made my mind up yet. I'm getting very good velocities now. 3500 fps with RL17 and 110 ABs and 3400 fps with RL17 and 115 Ballisitc Silvertips. Being the speed freak I am, I wouldn't mind some more velocity. If I can only expect another 100 fps out of it, I'll probably stick with the standard chamber. But if I can get 150 fps or more, I may go with the AI. And yes I know, it will lead to faster throat errosion. I'll be going with a Lilja 3 groove barrel that have a good rep for better barrel life and hopefull some GJ will help.

I'm also considering a 6.5-06AI a some point as well. I might do it as a switch barrel option on one of my 300 RUM Sendero platform. That way I could have a couple of smaller cal PD regulators to shoot side by side. If I get both in AI I can use the same bushing dies for reloading.

Any experience and opions are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark
Hi Mark.....I shot thousands of rounds thru a 25-06 and re-barreled it to 6.5-06 A.I. It was a great rifle. I killed 25+ elk with it as well as a lot of other game. I was able to get almost 3100 out of a 26" barrel and a 140 nosler. I completely shot that barrel out and now have my third barrel on it. It's a 26" Lilja three groove chambered in my 6.5 Sherman. I can tell you that it is far the best of the three. The A.I. case holds about 6% more powder than the std. case. My Sherman case holds 11% more and the cases last forever! I'm getting up to 3200 with the 140's with great accuracy. I have a once used reamer that would like to do some more work. Let me know if you are interested......Rich
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Re: 25-06 vs 25-06AI

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Originally Posted by MontanaRifleman View Post
Hey guys.... I currently have a Sendero 25-06 (26" barrel) and a smith who borescoped it for me told me it was severly firecracked. It still shoots very well but I'm expecting it to go south anythime which brings me to the subject at hand.

I will be getting it rebarreled and have been considering consider the standard 25-06 and the AI version - haven't made my mind up yet. I'm getting very good velocities now. 3500 fps with RL17 and 110 ABs and 3400 fps with RL17 and 115 Ballisitc Silvertips. Being the speed freak I am, I wouldn't mind some more velocity. If I can only expect another 100 fps out of it, I'll probably stick with the standard chamber. But if I can get 150 fps or more, I may go with the AI. And yes I know, it will lead to faster throat errosion. I'll be going with a Lilja 3 groove barrel that have a good rep for better barrel life and hopefull some GJ will help.

I'm also considering a 6.5-06AI a some point as well. I might do it as a switch barrel option on one of my 300 RUM Sendero platform. That way I could have a couple of smaller cal PD regulators to shoot side by side. If I get both in AI I can use the same bushing dies for reloading.

Any experience and opions are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark
OOps forgot your other ??? I doubt you would get 150 extra feet with the A.I. case loaded to equal pressures......Rich
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