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Old 04-29-2011, 07:30 AM
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22 Centerfire rounds?

I am curious what .22 cal rounds are out there that are in the catagory of a 22 hornet?
I am looking for a small centerfire with a light report. That would be capable of taking small game out to 150 yds or so.
Looking for something different. (I don't want a .223 and smaller than a 22-250)
I have looked at the 22 hornet, 218 bee, 221 firball, .222 ect..
Just wondering if there is something else I don't know about. I would love to see a photo line-up of the 22 centerfire rounds if anyone has one or knows a sight that has a photo on it.
Looks like maybe the hornet or 218 bee are the best rounds for what I am looking for....but maybe not?
Anybody out there have something else that's a neat little gun? or info on an easy build for a hornet/bee?
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:24 AM
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Re: 22 Centerfire rounds?

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I am curious what .22 cal rounds are out there that are in the catagory of a 22 hornet?
I am looking for a small centerfire with a light report. That would be capable of taking small game out to 150 yds or so.
Looking for something different. (I don't want a .223 and smaller than a 22-250)
I have looked at the 22 hornet, 218 bee, 221 firball, .222 ect..
Just wondering if there is something else I don't know about. I would love to see a photo line-up of the 22 centerfire rounds if anyone has one or knows a sight that has a photo on it.
Looks like maybe the hornet or 218 bee are the best rounds for what I am looking for....but maybe not?
Anybody out there have something else that's a neat little gun? or info on an easy build for a hornet/bee?

Don't forget the 5.7x28. I think Savage is chambering a rifle in this right now, but I don't know if any have hit the market yet.
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:09 PM
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Re: 22 Centerfire rounds?

I guess I had forgot about the 5.7. I herd savage was coming out with one in a bolt rifle. I was also told they were chambering the rifle in the 5.45x39 or whatever the russian equivilent of the 223 is. Not sure if that's true or not but it would be a neat round in a bolt gun.
I have shot the 5.7 in that FNH pistol thats like a pistol size assult rifle! Pretty cool in the pistol...and accurate too. Not sure if the 5.7 has enough ammo options though. I would like to have the opertunity to load heavier bullets in it.
I hunt whitetail deer in southern mexico with some guys that work in my orchards and that's what I was thinkig about this gun for. Down there we typically use .22 LR or 20ga. buckshot. The deer are SMALL, a buck might go 100 lbs on the hoof...maybe. Does more like 60 lbs. I thought last time I was there that a 22 mag would be perfect but would like a little more firepower. A quiet report is importat as I am never really sure if it's totaly legal or not when we're out. I paid for a gun permit last time I was there, but in Mexico nothing is binding. Also the guys I am with are migerant workers and usualy can't afford a $200.00 permit. If a cop catches us even though I have papers it could still be a problem...so quiet is good!
How loud is a 221 fireball, 5.7 in a rifle and a 22 hornet compaired to more common rounds that I would know? Such as a 22 mag, 20 ga, 223, 243 ect...
Is a fireball's report more in line with a 223 than a 22 mag? I would assume so
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Old 04-30-2011, 09:07 AM
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Re: 22 Centerfire rounds?

I am particularly fond of the 22 K Hornet and 218 Mashburn Bee. I also like the 221 Fireball alot. The Fireball is much more useful as you can load it up higher and lower to meet your needs. At top end levels it will add 75 fps to the Mashburn bee and around 150 to the standard Bee.

It is also very at home with slightly reduced loads that will match the 5.7x28, 22 Hornet or standard 218 Bee.

The only draw back to the Hornet and Bee is that brass is very thin and its not hard to wear the brass out especially if you bump the shoulder much at all or run pressures up.

The 221 FB brass on the other hand is MUCH stronger and will do much more for you. Again, if you handload, you can produce any velocity range you want with the right powder selection and accuracy is generally very good. I even talked to a fella that made up some 221 FB loads using 40 gr bullet weights that matches standard 22 Long Rifle velocities with 1/2" 50 yard accuracy. Certainly not what the Fireball is generally capable of accuracy wise but for what that load was designed for it was plenty accurate and right there with most 22 LR rifles.

For all around shooting, the Fireball would likely be my first choice for this class of chambering.
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:01 PM
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Re: 22 Centerfire rounds?

Good stuff. I like the idea of the fireball. the bee and Khornet are intriquing little rounds too.
Does anyone make the bee in a bolt gun? Or do people build them in bolts?
Also, if I wanted to build a 221 FB what action would I start with?
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:37 PM
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Re: 22 Centerfire rounds?

How about 223 WSSM
where 60 gr JSP 3,733 ft/s 1,857 ft·lbf and 75 gr BT 3,378 ft/s 1,901 ft·lbf

Not sure who chambers for it, but its out there... I think Browning and Winchester did
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:40 PM
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Re: 22 Centerfire rounds?

Looks like Browning does: Shorter & Sweeter — Browning A-Bolt Rifles in New 223 WSSM & 243 WSSM Cartridges
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