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Old 05-21-2012, 11:06 AM
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Re: 22-250 twist rate

Gary - thanks as well. This is a very good thread.

Can I ask about your powder choices as well.

Anyone else who can add as well, good powders for 223 and 22-250. Shoot all year 20s up to mid 90s temperature wise. 1-12 twist on the 223 and 22-250, lite bullets 40 or 50 grain.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:47 AM
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What I would like to know is how am I stabilizing a 53gr vmax in my 22-250 with a 1 in 14 twist. It shouldn't work but it does. according to a twist rate calculator I would have to push it north of 4100fps. All I got is my gunsmith is really damned good, and my dies are make some very concentric loads, so everything lines up just so.
a long (and I mean a really long time ago) ago Walt Berger told me that it took 179K rpm to stabalize his VLD's at impact. We all thought hey that's right, and it did make some sense at the time. Later we learn that some other things (the data was there already, but nobody bothered to listen). But this also answered a lot of questions as to why I couldn't get 88LD's to stablize in a 6mm that was really spinning the bullets extremely fast. I was roughly one twist in a foot too slow.

Now as to how you are doing a .29 B/C in a 1:14 twist is a mystery. Shouldn't be able to do this, and it's been proven out many times over the last 12 to 14 months. Have you actually measured your twist rate? Or simply went by what you were told. (I've seen them vary as much as an inch). In a 12 twist the .29 is right there, and with a factor of .85 it's still close. I've found that the 55 grain Vmax is about it with a 1:14 twist, and a 50 grain Vmax works better. But on the otherhand a 55 grain Nosler BT has a slightly lower B/C than the Hornaday, and may well work. I can shoot the 60 grain BT's just fine in a 12 twist due to their lower B/C number. Never had a 1:12 twist .223 to compair notes with, but have been around several 1:14 twist 22-250's and the results are always similar

Reason I use the factor number is to allow for friction and other varibles. You figure take the bullet length and divide the diameter into it, and then divide the twist rate into that number. Then I multiply it by .85.

example: .88 length divided by .223 equales 3.946. Then divide that by the twist rate of 12 for .328. That would be for perfect conditions. Now I mulitply that by .85 for .279B/C. Some guys use .80 and some use as high as .95 for a factor number. A .90 factor number gives you a near perfect match for the 53 grain Vmax with a .29B/C (note I'm only guess at the actual length). Is the formula perfect? I can't say but it works. I have noticed that the larger the diameter of the bullet the lower the factor number is needed (for me anyway), but the .85 number is just a generic number I use. I never get lower than .80 and have gotten as high as .95 in the past
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:10 PM
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Re: 22-250 twist rate

Gary, yea I verified my twist, checked it 6 times just to be sure. Not complaining about results just baffled by em, maybe it's just an anomaly.
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Gary - thanks as well. This is a very good thread.

Can I ask about your powder choices as well.

Anyone else who can add as well, good powders for 223 and 22-250. Shoot all year 20s up to mid 90s temperature wise. 1-12 twist on the 223 and 22-250, lite bullets 40 or 50 grain.
I like 3031 in the 22-250, but there are a couple from Accurate I'm getting ready to try (right now the fishing's just too good to believe!!) I think I use 35.5 grains of 3031 under the 55 grain sierra bullet. I can do better (velocity wise) with H380 and 748, but the groups seem to be bigger and we're talking less than 100fps. As I've said before, I tried to make 2015BR work as I had several pounds of it, but it just didn't come together (very similar to 3031). It seems like no matter what new powder I try, I keep comming back to 3031. In my .223's (I shoot four different ones), I still like good old BLC2 and 2015BR, but have been playing around with H335 and H322 lately Any of these four will work well. I did try an old lot of AA2230 "data" powder which is much different than the current 2230, and got some smoking velocities, but groups opened up to about .70". Maybe with another bullet; I don't know. Besides when it's gone, it's gone forever.
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Gary, yea I verified my twist, checked it 6 times just to be sure. Not complaining about results just baffled by em, maybe it's just an anomaly.
be glad!
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