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210 Nolser ALR. 1st BC test

 
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Old 06-24-2013, 05:48 AM
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ok so we finaly have data also on them. we found the advertised bc to be high also we came up with .670. the grouping was outstanding we took to 300wm senderos to 1/4 moa in less than 2 hours at 2800 fps we shot them at a clay bank that we have tested mant bullets in and at 700 yrds they held 60-70% retinion berger is going to have a run for thier money even with the lower bc.
As much as I shoot and like the Bergers, their ability to hold up on thougher game has always been a question for me. While the killing effect has been excellent at ranges from 50 to 1000 yards on medium sized game, I have never found any bullet remains except for bits and pieces of lead and jacket material, if anything at all. Have you done the same test on your clay bank with the Bergers and gotten any retention info for comparison? Also interested in the sensitivity to seating depth of the AB's compared to the Bergers.
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Sorry to resurect an old thread but why do people insist on basing Berger performance on weight retention? They are designed to fragment and explode hence not much weight retention. If you kill an animal and find nothing but shreaded insides and little bullet fragments the bullet worked just like it was supposed to.

Sorry for the rant.

Now to the B.C. of the Nosler 210 ALR. I have not yet tested these but I have made a few observations and calculations. First off Nosler lists a G7 B.C. of .316 which is exactly what the B.C. should be, based on the standard G7 form factor. With that in mind Nosler then calculates a G1 B.C. of .730 which is entirely outlandish and false. According to Bryan Litz in his applied ballistics for long range shooting book on page 283 he states " In order to convert a G7 B.C. to a G1 B.C. that is an average 3000 fps to 1500 fps divide the G7 by .512." By doing this conversion we can calculate the G1 B.C. of the Nosler at .617. This is still a great B.C. and the Nosler Im sure will make a great long range bullet but not the long range bullet Nosler hyped it up to be. The .617 B.C. puts the Nosler around 10 points lower than both the Berger .210 (.627) and 16 lower than the 208 Hornady Amax (.633) (Litz tested B.C.s) The B.C. of .617 is much more belivable and realistic given the bullets similar design and form factors.
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Sorry to resurect an old thread but why do people insist on basing Berger performance on weight retention? They are designed to fragment and explode hence not much weight retention. If you kill an animal and find nothing but shreaded insides and little bullet fragments the bullet worked just like it was supposed to.

Sorry for the rant.

Now to the B.C. of the Nosler 210 ALR. I have not yet tested these but I have made a few observations and calculations. First off Nosler lists a G7 B.C. of .316 which is exactly what the B.C. should be, based on the standard G7 form factor. With that in mind Nosler then calculates a G1 B.C. of .730 which is entirely outlandish and false. According to Bryan Litz in his applied ballistics for long range shooting book on page 283 he states " In order to convert a G7 B.C. to a G1 B.C. that is an average 3000 fps to 1500 fps divide the G7 by .512." By doing this conversion we can calculate the G1 B.C. of the Nosler at .617. This is still a great B.C. and the Nosler Im sure will make a great long range bullet but not the long range bullet Nosler hyped it up to be. The .617 B.C. puts the Nosler around 10 points lower than both the Berger .210 (.627) and 16 lower than the 208 Hornady Amax (.633) (Litz tested B.C.s) The B.C. of .617 is much more belivable and realistic given the bullets similar design and form factors.
The reason they (berger) get bashed for their explosive characteristics is because not everybody hunts coues whitetails. Some here hunt big moose and big bears. We don't need a bullet to fragment in a 1800# bear or moose. We need penetration.

Now if they would introduce a 140 class ALR for your beloved 260, I bet you'd use them.
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I bet I wouldn't. The berger gives me exactly what I like in a bullet and I wouldn't hesitate to hunt moose or bear with them at all. If you know you want a bullet that penetrates then why do people use a bullet designed to fragment then complain when it does exactly like its supposed to. It just baffles me to read all the complaints of poor performance because of little weight retention when the bullet is performing as designed.
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Fair enough.

I won't push bonded on you, you don't push fragmented on me.

Now back to the ALR thread...


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Re: 210 Nolser ALR. 1st BC test

That tit for tat was too easy. I was expecting way more. The dust has already settled on the fragmenting bullet debate. What a pleasant surprise.

Michael, thanks for posting your findings. Somehow I missed this Thread until tonight. You used any of the ABLR on large game this season? Good luck if you're still in the hunt!
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:58 AM
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Re: 210 Nolser ALR. 1st BC test

Me and Michael have our history of epic debates on other sites. We have determined that we are probably very similar individuals that just do things differently. I have no hard feelings or animosity towards the guy at all and respect his opinions. There is no secret that I love berger bullets and use them religiously. Sorry for the slight thread hijack I just needed to say something after reading multiple threads on this site.
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