Thanks for all of the info. I am from Ohio and will be shooting groundhogs mostly around 300-400 yards but can shoot targets further than that. I was initially planning on a .308 but after comparing the ballistics to the Win Mag I cant pass it up. I would prefer to buy a rifle, put a good scope on it, and be ready to shoot. Has anyone shot the Savage model 111 long range hunter? It has a 26 inch barrel, muzzle brake
, accutrigger, and accustock. And you can get it for around $850. What do you guys think about it?